Yura ★ Belarus, 2018-01-23 16:02 (2651 d 06:41 ago) Posting: # 18269 Views: 11,250 |
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Hi everybody From the research 2x2x2 (34 - balanced) for power estimation the following results are taken: β=0.20, α=0.05, CV = 0.32, PE = 0.92 FARTSSIE17: 55% R: 55% WinNonLin: Power_80_20: 89% Why is this happening? Regards |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2018-01-23 16:25 (2651 d 06:18 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 18271 Views: 9,812 |
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Dear Yura have a look at this thread from the year 2011. And tell us which version of WinNonlin you used for your calculations. AFAIK Phoenix had corrected this nonsense power calculations later on. — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-01-23 17:05 (2651 d 05:38 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 18274 Views: 10,178 |
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Dear Detlew & Yura ❝ And tell us which version of WinNonlin you used for your calculations. ❝ AFAIK Phoenix had corrected this nonsense power calculations later on. The additional result Power_TOST was introduced in Phoenix WinNonlin v6.4 (2014). During development it was cross-validated against power.TOST(..., method="nct") . ![]() Power_80_20 (for the FDA’s 80/20-rule) is still there for backwards compatibility. Don’t use it.— Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2018-01-23 17:54 (2651 d 04:49 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18275 Views: 9,775 |
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Dear Helmut! ❝ The additional result Funny ![]() — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-01-23 18:25 (2651 d 04:18 ago) @ d_labes Posting: # 18276 Views: 9,830 |
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Dear Detlew! ❝ ❝ […] ❝ ❝ Funny I bombarded Pharsight for years asking for an update. I was a beta-tester of PHX v6.0–6.4. Guess who suggested which software to compare to. ![]() — Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! ![]() Helmut Schütz ![]() The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮 Science Quotes |
Yura ★ Belarus, 2018-01-23 22:55 (2650 d 23:48 ago) @ Helmut Posting: # 18284 Views: 9,740 |
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Hi Detlew & Helmut ❝ Thanks for the advice WNL's Power do not use Regards |
pjs ★ India, 2018-03-23 11:41 (2592 d 11:02 ago) @ Yura Posting: # 18589 Views: 8,739 |
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Hi All, Below is the power reported for the assumed parameters with different software. ❝ From the research 2x2x2 (34 - balanced) for power estimation the following results are taken: β=0.20, α=0.05, CV = 0.32, PE = 0.92 ❝ ❝ FARTSSIE17: 55% ❝ R: 55% ❝ WinNonLin: Power_80_20: 89% Can you pls guide for FARTSSIE and R which method for power estimation is being used. Currently i am cross verifying power value with the published paper of the potvin for two stage. They had calculated power with modification of Hauschke et al. For example if i take N=12, CV=40% and ratio 95% power by method C is reported to be 0.7505. For the same parameters power by FARTSSIE is -24.19%. Regards Pjs |
d_labes ★★★ Berlin, Germany, 2018-03-23 18:02 (2592 d 04:42 ago) @ pjs Posting: # 18592 Views: 8,886 |
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Dear Pjs, ❝ Currently i am cross verifying power value with the published paper of the potvin for two stage. They had calculated power with modification of Hauschke et al. For example if i take N=12, CV=40% and ratio 95% power by method C is reported to be 0.7505. For the same parameters power by FARTSSIE is -24.19%. This is a fundamental misunderstanding. What you try to do is, if I understand you correctly, to obtain the power of a two stage design. This is not possible in FARTSSIE and also not in the R package PowerTOST .The framework of TSDs is so complicated that no algebraic solution for obtaining power is available. What you have to do is to use simulations, like the ones described in the Potvin paper. Have a look into the R add-on package Power2Stage . With the function power.2stage() you are able to verify the type 1 error and the power reported in the Potvin paper.Example: library(Power2Stage) gives TSD with 2x2 crossover # empirical type 1 error gives TSD with 2x2 crossover BTW: If you aim to work exactly like Potvin et al. you have to set the argument pmethod="shifted" in the function calls. This calculates power in the power monitoring step of the two stage schemes via a somewhat crude approximation and was used in the Potvin paper for speed reasons only.Nevertheless you will not obtain exacly the same numbers due to the unknown auxillary conditions for the simulations like e.g. the seed of the random number genarator or its type. BTW2: The negative power from FARTSSIE is of course nonsense and results from an approximation for the power calculation. The exact power for a fixed (1-stage) design with your settings is library(PowerTOST) — Regards, Detlew |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2018-03-24 16:49 (2591 d 05:55 ago) @ pjs Posting: # 18593 Views: 8,533 |
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Hi Pjs, extending Detlew’s post. Try this code:
power overall power, TIE empiric Type I Error (for true ratio 1.25), n.tot expected average total sample size; pct05 , pct50 , pct95 5%, 50%, 95% percentiles of expected total sample size, pct.stg2 percent of studies expected to proceed to the 2nd stage.Reported by Potvin et al. in Tables I & II:
Try this code with a different seed in each run:
If you want to estimate the sample size of the 2nd stage I recommend the function sampleN2.TOST() of Power2Stage instead of sampleN.TOST() of PowerTOST and subtract n1. In the final analysis we have one degree of freedom less than in the conventional model (due to the additional stage-term). Comparison:
Let’s see whether we can reproduce Potvin’s examples for ‘Method C’:
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