VSL ☆ India, 2015-07-01 21:37 (3588 d 22:25 ago) Posting: # 15008 Views: 9,493 |
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Dear, It has been seen that In protocol, larger sample size is selected to just pass the study without any scientific justification or selecting high T/R in sample size calculation. Therefore, in many cases, post hoc power is more than 100% or nearly 100%. It is like forced bio-equivalence. Does regulator seek justification for this? Thanks and Regards... VSL Edit: Category changed; see also this post #1. [Helmut] |
ElMaestro ★★★ Denmark, 2015-07-01 22:08 (3588 d 21:55 ago) @ VSL Posting: # 15009 Views: 7,702 |
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Hi VSL, ❝ It has been seen that In protocol, larger sample size is selected to just pass the study without any scientific justification or selecting high T/R in sample size calculation. Therefore, in many cases, post hoc power is more than 100% or nearly 100%. It is like forced bio-equivalence. ❝ Does regulator seek justification for this? Power > 100% is a stretch ![]() You'll see that some companies do not feel extremely confident their true T/R is e.g. 0.95; it is the true T/R that determines power together with variability, yet true T/R is never known. Thus, there is a point in sometimes having a seemingly high samnple size when you are not totally in the driver's seat re. the T/R. And when the trial passes with flying colours and a T/R close to 1.0 then it looks like the trial was over-powered and in hindsight you're thinking sample size was way too high. But you didn't know that in advance, and therefore such a posthoc power consideration can be unjustified. Remember that even after the trial the true T/R is not known. — Pass or fail! ElMaestro |
Helmut ★★★ ![]() ![]() Vienna, Austria, 2015-07-02 03:18 (3588 d 16:45 ago) @ VSL Posting: # 15010 Views: 8,159 |
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Hi VSL, first of all: I agree with what ElMaestro wrote… ❝ […] in many cases, post hoc power is more than 100%… Implying a negative (!) producer’s risk, since \(\small{\beta=1-power}\)? ![]() ❝ or nearly 100%. It is like forced bio-equivalence. “Forced BE” is an unofficial term describing large sample sizes where an extremely “bad” T/R-ratio is assumed beforehand and an attempt is made to “squeeze” the confidence interval to within the acceptance range. Can be an issue for the ethics committee. The EC has to deal with the risk for the subjects in the study. If I would be a member of an EC and know of a couple of studies with 24–36 subjects (same drug/reference), I would for sure raise my hand against a protocol suggesting 120. Post hoc power is completely irrelevant. Stop calculating it! On another note are you sure the ~100% power are correct? I stopped counting reports on my desk where the number was just wrong. Completely wrong. Sorry to say, but some CROs are notorious for that. Example (one of the most renowned ![]() Garbage in, garbage out.
❝ Does regulator seek justification for this? Not that I recall. Their job is to assess the patient’s risk. If you are asked for post hoc power, tell them to study their own guidelines. None (!) requires it. As you cannot be punished for being lucky (low “power”) the same is true for wasting money (very high “power”). However, in almost all cases I have seen it’s a plain miscalculation.
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