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2013-10-17 10:53
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 sample size for partial replicate - USFDA [Power / Sample Size]

Dear All,

We have a data of partial replicate (TRR,RRT,RTR) pilot study and we have within-subject variability of reference formulation.

Now suppose we want to estimate sample size for pivotal partial replicate (TRR,RRT,RTR) study using pilot study results.

Can we use within-subject variability of reference formulation for sample size calculation of pivotal study?

If yes, can we use observed N or should it be multiplied by 0.75 (for 3 period partial replicate study design) or 0.5 (for 4 period fully replicate study design)?

Your suggestion in this regard will be highly appreciated.

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Niraj
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2013-10-17 17:09
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 sample size for partial replicate - USFDA

Hi,

Use PowerTOST from R or you can get the sample size from a paper:

Tothfalusi & Endrenyi. Sample Sizes for Designing Bioequivalence Studies for Highly Variable Drugs. J Pharm Pharmaceut Sci. 15(1) 73-84, 2012

John
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2013-10-18 10:18
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 sample size for partial replicate - USFDA

Dear John,

Thank you for your reply.

I have found a paper "Tothfalusi & Endrenyi. Sample Sizes for Designing Bioequivalence Studies for Highly Variable Drugs. J Pharm Pharmaceut Sci. 15(1) 73-84, 2012".

Suppose within-subject variability for reference formulation in 3 -period partial replicate study was found 30%.

Then as per above paper, sample size for 3 -period partial replicate pivotal study, intended for USFDA submission, is 24 subjects for GMR of 0.95 to acheive at least 80% power for within-subject variability of reference formulation of 30% (as per page 11 of 12 from above paper).

I am looking forward your suggestion for my understanding.

Best regards.
Niraj
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2013-10-18 15:51
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 Table A3

Hi Niraj,

24 is correct. But, if you assume a CVWR of 30% the probability of not being allowed to scale is 50%. So it might well be possible that you will be trapped in the situation described in my previous post – therefore, forget the partial replicate! Don’t assume a GMR of 0.95 for HVDs/HVDPs. If you run the study in 24 subjects and the GMR is 0.9, power will be only 59%.

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2013-10-18 16:34
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 N=24 or N=27

Hi Helmut,

❝ 24 is correct...


As we know: the two Laszlo's have simulated with 1E04 (10 000) sims for run-time reasons. A little bit too low I think.

[nitpicking]
sampleN.RSABE(CV=0.3, theta0=0.95, design="2x3x3", nsims=1e4, setseed=T, print=F, details=F)
  Design alpha CVwT CVwR theta0 theta1 theta2 Sample size Achieved power Target power nlast
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8455          0.8    27
sampleN.RSABE(CV=0.3, theta0=0.95, design="2x3x3", nsims=1e4, setseed=F, print=F, details=F)
  Design alpha CVwT CVwR theta0 theta1 theta2 Sample size Achieved power Target power nlast
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8372          0.8    27
# next tries:
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8457          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8386          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.836           0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          24         0.8021          0.8    24
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8417          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          24         0.8022          0.8    24
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8455          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8372          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8457          0.8    27
1  2x3x3  0.05  0.3  0.3   0.95    0.8   1.25          27         0.8386          0.8    27
[/nitpicking]

Try this with 1E05 (100 000) sims. I up to now was not able to see N=24 (more then 100 tries). :cool:

Have a nice weekend.

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Detlew
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2013-10-18 17:02
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 in praise of 100,000 sim’s

Dear Detlew,

❝ ❝ 24 is correct...


<nitpick>

Should read: “Congratulations Niraj – you managed to read Table A3 correctly.”

</nitpick>

❝ As we know: the two Laszlo's have simulated with 1E04 (10 000) sims for run-time reasons. A little bit too low I think.


Sure – as you have nicely shown.

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2013-10-19 08:19
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 N=24 or N=27

Dear Helmut and D_labes,

Thank you for your valuable comments and suggestion.

Best regards,
Niraj
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2013-10-19 08:18
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 Table A3

Dear Friend,

Thank you for your valuable comments and suggestion.

Best regards,
Niraj
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 forget the partial replicate

Hi Niraj,

❝ We have a data of partial replicate (TRR,RRT,RTR) pilot study and we have within-subject variability of reference formulation.

❝ Now suppose we want to estimate sample size for pivotal partial replicate (TRR,RRT,RTR) study using pilot study results.


As John suggested go with PowerTOST. I would abandon the lousy partial replicate and opt for a fully replicated 3-period design (TRT|RTR) instead. If by any chance you are not allowed to scale (sWR <0.294), the partial replicate sometimes fails to converge in any (!) software. If that happens, you are in trouble. You have performed a study and are not able get a result (maybe TYPE=FA0(1) instead of TYPE=FA0(2) works – see this thread).
BTW, for HVDs/HVDPs I would never assume 90% < GMR <111% even if you saw such a GMR in the pilot. The GMR might jump around between studies. Don’t be overly optimistic.

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2013-10-18 09:57
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 forget the partial replicate

Dear Friend,

Thank you for your reply.

Could you please guide me how to use PowerTOST from the given link? I have never used it before. I have downloaded file from the given link.

We use SAS software and I guess, given link directs to R-language. Correct me if I am wrong.

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Niraj
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2013-10-18 13:16
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 PowerTOST and RSABE

Dear Niraj,

❝ Could you please guide me how to use PowerTOST from the given link? I have never used it before. I have downloaded file from the given link.


❝ We use SAS software and I guess, given link directs to R-language. Correct me if I am wrong.


You are totally right, PowerTOST is an add-on package for the R-language.
An implementation in SAS was not undertaken by me since the scaled ABE power calculations have to be based on simulations and it has been reported that the run times for such an attempt are horrible (around 1 to some days).
R is on the other hand very suitable for simulation purposes and with some clever tricks the run times are below minutes).

To use PowerTOST you must first install R. It is open source software so you don't need something like licenses or many bucks to buy. Obtain it from CRAN.

After downloading and installing R you may install PowerTOST also from CRAN via RGUI (simpler) or R-console (needs some knowledge about R-language).
In the GUI chose the menu 'Packages/Install package(s) ...' and, after choosing a CRAN mirror near to you, select package PowerTOST.

To use it for your problem try in the R-console:
library(PowerTOST) # load the package

# sample size estimation with partial replicate
# assuming intra-subject CV's of test and reference equal 30%
# and assuming a true GMR of 0.9 (pessimistic)
# will give you N=45

sampleN.RSABE(CV=0.3, theta0=0.9, design="2x3x3")

# more optimistic GMR=0.95
# will give you N=27
# (there are some small differences to the paper of the 2 Laszlo's
#  due to higher number of simulations used in sampleN.RSABE)

sampleN.RSABE(CV=0.3, theta0=0.95, design="2x3x3")

# sample size estimation with full 3-period replicate (TRT|RTR)
# according to Helmut's suggestion
# assuming intra-subject CV of test and reference equal
# will give you N=46

sampleN.RSABE(CV=0.3, theta0=0.9, design="2x2x3")

# assuming a more variable test formulation with CV=0.4
# will give you N=62

sampleN.RSABE(CV=c(0.4,0.3), theta0=0.9, design="2x2x3")

# assuming a lesser variable test formulation with CV=0.25
# will give you N=40, i.e. it pays to have a 'better' test

sampleN.RSABE(CV=c(0.25,0.3), theta0=0.9, design="2x2x3")


Hope this helps as a very short intro.
To discover more about sampleN.RSABE() type ?sampleN.RSABE in the R-console and RTFM :-D.

And don't forget: search the forum!

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Detlew
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2014-04-11 09:37
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 Replicate Pilot study

Hello everyone,
In one of my 2x2 crossover pilot study (N = 12) I am getting results as follows
Cmax-62.57(38.27 - 102.29) CV-83.85
AUCt-46.09(17.47 - 121.55) CV-263.48
As per experts study failed drastically because of its design (2x2 cross over), and replicate design should be used here instead of 2x2 design.
In my opinion there may be design issue but the test product is also not upto the mark. Please provide your suggestions. Is there a need of change in design of pilot study or test product modification?

Kumar Naidu
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2014-04-11 12:27
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 Replicate Pilot study

Hi Kumarnaidu,

❝ Cmax-62.57(38.27 - 102.29) CV-83.85

❝ AUCt-46.09(17.47 - 121.55) CV-263.48

❝ As per experts study failed drastically because of its design (2x2 cross over), and replicate design should be used here instead of 2x2 design.

❝ In my opinion there may be design issue but the test product is also not upto the mark. Please provide your suggestions. Is there a need of change in design of pilot study or test product modification?


Your estimate of CV's is conditional on the point estimates and thus GMR. If you believe in the CV's you believe in the GMRs. If you don't believe in either then I guess you should have a reason. Technical error during bioanalysis etc etc.
To me, as long as concerns over technical errors etc have not been raised, this just looks like a clear-cut failed development to me. I would not spend as much as $.02 on further studies on the present formulation.

Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
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2014-04-11 14:45
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 Replicate Pilot study

Thanks ElMaestro for your reply.
I want to know that how far it is right to correlate the values of the PK parameters mentioned in the literature for the RLD at the time of its approval (say approved in 1992) to the present day values of the RLD observed in the recent studies, especially when the drug is high variable.

Also can we correlate PK parameters of Drug A 250mgx2 with Drug A 500mgx1 if the drug is non-linear.

Kumar Naidu
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2014-04-11 15:23
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 Replicate Pilot study

Hi again Kumar Naidu,

❝ I want to know that how far it is right to correlate the values of the PK parameters mentioned in the literature for the RLD at the time of its approval (say approved in 1992) to the present day values of the RLD observed in the recent studies, especially when the drug is high variable.


Difficult. I would at least try to read up on Drugs@FDA and see if there have been some formulation changes since the 1992 approval. But trouble is, the immediately available reviews generally do not date all the way back to that time, if I recall correctly. So you may be a little in the dark. Paper-based FoI might be an option, I can't tell.

❝ Also can we correlate PK parameters of Drug A 250mgx2 with Drug A 500mgx1 if the drug is non-linear.


Sometimes yes. But depends on the type of formulation and on excipients. Regulators would probably say it depends somehow on proportionality of the formulations as well.

Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
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2014-04-14 08:22
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 Replicate Pilot study

Ok thanks ElMaestro for your valuable comments.

Kumar Naidu
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