Flashback [Regulatives / Guidelines]
Hi John!
For me – flashback. We performed a pilot study of a drug with a nice average [sic] half-life of ~50 hours, sampling up to 216 hours (since truncated AUC wasn’t common at that time), washout 2 weeks. No predose concentrations… The pivotal was a 6×3 in 36 subjects, but:
P.S.: The product was approved based on this study in the EU in 2002 and by the FDA in 2003.
See above. I cannot imaging that any regulatory agency would accept this (any more).
Referring to an SOP is alway the worst (pseudo-)justification I can think of.
❝ This just popped into my head (flashback... Nightmare, whatever you called it)...
For me – flashback. We performed a pilot study of a drug with a nice average [sic] half-life of ~50 hours, sampling up to 216 hours (since truncated AUC wasn’t common at that time), washout 2 weeks. No predose concentrations… The pivotal was a 6×3 in 36 subjects, but:
- only ½ of the dose of the pilot was administered and
- the LLOQ of analytical method was improved by a factor of 9 [sic].
- Primary analysis based on period 1’s data as a parallel design. The sponsor had too much money – so the cross-over was extremely overpowered. The total CV was quite low and we expected still ~75% power. Since no pretesting (sequence or unequal carry-over) was done (Grizzle’s flawed method), the patient’s risk was not compromised.
- Exploratory 1: Ignoring the carry-over and performing the comparison as originally planned. Nowadays we would go a similar track: 86% of the subjects with pre-dose values <5% would stay in the analysis.
- Exploratory 2: Estimating λz not only from data of the respective treatment, but including the pre-dose value of the next period. Subtracting estimated concentrations of the next period from measured ones.
- Confirmatory: AUC passed, upper limit of Cmax failed.
- Exploratory 1 & 2: AUC and Cmax passed easily.

P.S.: The product was approved based on this study in the EU in 2002 and by the FDA in 2003.
❝ Should the lab adjust the concentration profile to remove the residual levels caused by the pre-dose concentration???? ie. using the t1/2 and determine the amount of pre-dose concentration remaining throughout the timepoints and subtract it from the respective concentrations.
See above. I cannot imaging that any regulatory agency would accept this (any more).
❝ I remember one lab doing this and they said it's part of their SOP...
Referring to an SOP is alway the worst (pseudo-)justification I can think of.
“Hey, let’s jump from the cliff!” Lemming’s SOP
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Complete thread:
- 0 hr Pre-dose concentration but less than 5% of Cmax jag009 2012-03-29 19:34 [Regulatives / Guidelines]
- 0 hr Pre-dose concentration but less than 5% of Cmax Helmut 2012-03-29 19:50
- 0 hr Pre-dose concentration but less than 5% of Cmax jag009 2012-03-29 20:10
- Reanalysis if possible Helmut 2012-03-29 23:17
- Reanalysis if possible jag009 2012-03-30 15:06
- >6 sources of matrix Helmut 2012-03-30 15:16
- >6 sources of matrix jag009 2012-03-30 20:40
- >6 sources of matrix Helmut 2012-03-31 00:23
- >6 sources of matrix jag009 2012-04-04 16:32
- FlashbackHelmut 2012-04-05 16:10
- Flashback jag009 2012-04-05 17:51
- No correction if ≤5% Cmax Helmut 2012-04-05 18:08
- No correction if ≤5% Cmax navoday 2012-08-15 20:37
- excluded period(s) Helmut 2012-08-16 16:36
- excluded period(s) rajasekharkakarla 2019-09-20 07:57
- excluded period(s) Helmut 2012-08-16 16:36
- No correction if ≤5% Cmax navoday 2012-08-15 20:37
- No correction if ≤5% Cmax Helmut 2012-04-05 18:08
- Flashback jag009 2012-04-05 17:51
- FlashbackHelmut 2012-04-05 16:10
- >6 sources of matrix jag009 2012-03-30 20:40
- >6 sources of matrix Helmut 2012-03-30 15:16
- Reanalysis if possible jag009 2012-03-30 15:06
- Reanalysis if possible Helmut 2012-03-29 23:17
- 0 hr Pre-dose concentration but less than 5% of Cmax jag009 2012-03-29 20:10
- 0 hr Pre-dose concentration but less than 5% of Cmax Helmut 2012-03-29 19:50