Profiles with no measurable concentrations [Outliers]
Dear all,
I have a lot of sympathy for Dr_Dan's post here:
Do we really want to try to conclude a lot about product performances when this happens? Or should we rather stop for a second and start thinking and focus on trial performance instead?
If a subject's PK is just a row of BLQ's then something very basic, whatever it is, went badly wrong (yeah right, he/she could be a supergiga-metaboliser. Not). For me personally, I would not think primarily of product failure (as in a tablet with zero API) - I think other reasons come more realistically to mind, but that's just me and it is said with reference to the rather strict GMP and release criteria in EU.
I know I am going to extremes here but considering eg. ICH E6 2.2 ('Before a trial is initiated, foreseeable risks and inconveniences should be weighed against the anticipated benefit for the individual trial subject and society. A trial should be initiated and continued only if the anticipated benefits justify the risks.') or 2.5 ('Clinical trials should be scientifically sound, and described in a clear, detailed protocol.'), if a trial has a subset subjects having just BLQ's would lead me to think the following:
I have a lot of sympathy for Dr_Dan's post here:
Do we really want to try to conclude a lot about product performances when this happens? Or should we rather stop for a second and start thinking and focus on trial performance instead?
If a subject's PK is just a row of BLQ's then something very basic, whatever it is, went badly wrong (yeah right, he/she could be a supergiga-metaboliser. Not). For me personally, I would not think primarily of product failure (as in a tablet with zero API) - I think other reasons come more realistically to mind, but that's just me and it is said with reference to the rather strict GMP and release criteria in EU.
I know I am going to extremes here but considering eg. ICH E6 2.2 ('Before a trial is initiated, foreseeable risks and inconveniences should be weighed against the anticipated benefit for the individual trial subject and society. A trial should be initiated and continued only if the anticipated benefits justify the risks.') or 2.5 ('Clinical trials should be scientifically sound, and described in a clear, detailed protocol.'), if a trial has a subset subjects having just BLQ's would lead me to think the following:
- The trial's outcome itself might be dubious, regardless of product performance.
- I want to know why it happened.
- I want to know how to prevent it from happening again cf. the quotes above, otherwise there may be a potential element of futility in future trials, and regulators -notably FDA imho- can have a very big problem with that.
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Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
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