steady state in WinNonlin (example) [Software]
Dear PKPDPKPD!
Yes.
Using the example of this post we have:
In WinNonlin (v5.2) open a new workbook and enter these values.
Use only the last three values:
Data > Exclude > Selection
Tools > PK/PD/NCA Wizard (or )
Select 'Linear' > Next > Model 502 (Linear) > Next > Finish
Click on the 'Data Variables' icon
Drag the time variable to the 'X variable' field, drag the concentration variable to the 'Y variable' field > OK
Model > Start Modeling (or click the 'calculator' icon)
A new linear workbook opens, navigate to the 'Non-Transposed Final Parameters' tab.
There are two parameters, namely 'INT' and 'SLOPE'.
'INT' is the estimated Cmin, but we are interested in 'SLOPE', which should be zero in 'true' steady-state.
Now look at the 'Estimate'-column, which gives a value of 0.018542 for slope.
A common method for the assessment of SS-conditions is either doing a t-test (0.05,2-sided), or looking at the 95% confidence interval,* which should include zero.
WinNonlin gives you the confidence interval in the columns 'PlanarCI_Lower' and 'PlanarCI_Uper' with -0.279250 and 0.316334. Since zero is included in the CI, steady state conditions are reached.
I added a little noise to the data:
Now we get a slope of 0.016875 (95% CI -1.981561 to 2.015311); still in steady state.
I'm not sure when Pharsight introduced linear models in WinNonlin (maybe in v5.0), in older versions you may use the 'LinMix Wizard' (which is a little bit confusing for a beginner), or use this ASCII-model - which is pretty simple:
❝ Is it possible to use WinNonLin to assess the achievement of steady state on the basis of pre-dose concentrations?
Yes.
Using the example of this post we have:
+-----+-------+
| t | c |
+-----+-------+
| 24 | 21.05 |
| 48 | 25.04 |
| 72 | 25.08 |
| 96 | 25.94 |
| 120 | 25.97 |
+-----+-------+
In WinNonlin (v5.2) open a new workbook and enter these values.
Use only the last three values:
Data > Exclude > Selection
Tools > PK/PD/NCA Wizard (or )
Select 'Linear' > Next > Model 502 (Linear) > Next > Finish
Click on the 'Data Variables' icon
Drag the time variable to the 'X variable' field, drag the concentration variable to the 'Y variable' field > OK
Model > Start Modeling (or click the 'calculator' icon)
A new linear workbook opens, navigate to the 'Non-Transposed Final Parameters' tab.
There are two parameters, namely 'INT' and 'SLOPE'.
'INT' is the estimated Cmin, but we are interested in 'SLOPE', which should be zero in 'true' steady-state.
Now look at the 'Estimate'-column, which gives a value of 0.018542 for slope.
A common method for the assessment of SS-conditions is either doing a t-test (0.05,2-sided), or looking at the 95% confidence interval,* which should include zero.
WinNonlin gives you the confidence interval in the columns 'PlanarCI_Lower' and 'PlanarCI_Uper' with -0.279250 and 0.316334. Since zero is included in the CI, steady state conditions are reached.
I added a little noise to the data:
+-----+-------+
| t | c |
+-----+-------+
| 24 | 18.71 |
| 48 | 22.44 |
| 72 | 22.44 |
| 96 | 25.63 |
| 120 | 23.25 |
+-----+-------+
Now we get a slope of 0.016875 (95% CI -1.981561 to 2.015311); still in steady state.
I'm not sure when Pharsight introduced linear models in WinNonlin (maybe in v5.0), in older versions you may use the 'LinMix Wizard' (which is a little bit confusing for a beginner), or use this ASCII-model - which is pretty simple:
MODEL
COMMANDS
NFUNCTIONS 1
NPARAMETERS 2
PNAMES 'inter', 'slope'
END
FUNCTION 1
F = inter + slope * X
END
EOM
- Weimann HJ. Drug concentrations and directly derived parameters. In: Cawello W, editor. Parameters for Compartment-Free Pharmacokinetics. Aachen: Shaker-Verlag; 2003. p. 23-38.
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