Terminology issues [Surveys]
❝ Clearly I would use option 1b; if pre-dose is not the lowest in practice then we are looking at data that do not reflect reality but random fluctuations or mixups (unless, of course, the body is capable of synthesizing the drug or metabolite under investigation which is generally not the case for the majority of substances). And in fact Cmin,ss is to some people like me a misnomer; should be called Ctrough, with trough being defined as predose.
Agree with Ctrough; but I would opt for 1d, because if a lag-time comes into play, concentrations will still decrease after time of administration. In such a case Ctrough ('trough' is a minimum in the English language) is not to be expected at pre-dose.
Weimann* states:
3.5 Trough value
The trough value is defined as the drug concentration measured at the end of dose interval at steady-state. […] the trough value is defined as the concentration measured immediately before the next drug-intake […]
3.6 Minimum concentration
The minimum concentration Cmin is defined as the lowest concentration on a concentration-time curve at steady-state and within one dosing interval. The Cmin value can – but need not necessarily – be identical to the trough value. Drugs for which Cmin and trough values differ from each other are products with sustained release properties. After administration of such a formulation, the drug concentration continues to decrease until substance absorption from the administered drug product commences at the end of the lag time. […] Like Cmax, the accuracy of the Cmin value depends on the blood sampling pattern. This is in contrast to the trough value, which is simply determined as the predose concentration.
PK-software in their default configuration (Phoenix/WinNonlin, Kinetica) come up with 1a (it needs some experience to tweak the software to come up with either one of 1b-d). IMHO 1a does not make sense, since in true steady state we would expect 50% of values at the start and end of the dosing interval due to random variability. If we look at the time point tmin we would end up with a nonsensical location of τ/2 with high variance (141% ≥ CV% ≥100%). In other words, comparing the pre-dose concentration to the concentration at the end of the dosing interval within subjects leads to some kind of ‘Apples-and-Oranges-Statistics’. The expectation of such an A&O comparison in any sample is 50% (and 25% for both pre-dose and end of dose). On the other hand, the true minimum (regardless the location) is required in the calculation of %PTF or Swing.
- HJ Weimann
Drug concentrations and directly derived parameters
In: W Cawello (Ed.), Parameters for Compartment-Free Pharmacokinetics
Shaker-Verlag, Aachen pp 31–4 (2003)
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