Moses CI [Nonparametrics]
Dear Andrew!
Even according to the current guideline assessment of tmax was mandatory only if
Theoretically it should be evident to any regulator that the study was performed according to the current NfG on BA/BE and the Q&A-document. We have no time machine at our disposal for planing our studies - so they should this take into account…
In my experience it will be almost impossible to show BE retrospectively by the partial AUC method proposed in the drafted guideline. The intrasubject-variability of this metric is just scary. I worked like a Trojan at the recent EUFEPS workshop to convince the PK group that it simply doesn’t make sense. Kamal Midha showed nice slides, there are papers published on the topic,… But: If we don’t like it, we have to send comments to EMEA. The clock is ticking. Deadline is this Saturday, 11:59 p.m.
You never can be sure...
I’ll give you my personal impressions. I guess there are two reasons why the drafted guideline suggested a switch from nonparametric testing of tmax to parametric testing of partial AUC truncated at median tmax of the reference.
❝ At present all our BE protocols stick with the old guideline and require non-parametric assessment of Tmax.
Even according to the current guideline assessment of tmax was mandatory only if
- either a clinical claim was made (e.g., rapid onset like for some analgetics),
- or based on safety grounds (e.g., IR nifedipine).
❝ I can foresee a time in 2 years when we'll have to repeat part of every analysis to provide parametric results.
Theoretically it should be evident to any regulator that the study was performed according to the current NfG on BA/BE and the Q&A-document. We have no time machine at our disposal for planing our studies - so they should this take into account…
In my experience it will be almost impossible to show BE retrospectively by the partial AUC method proposed in the drafted guideline. The intrasubject-variability of this metric is just scary. I worked like a Trojan at the recent EUFEPS workshop to convince the PK group that it simply doesn’t make sense. Kamal Midha showed nice slides, there are papers published on the topic,… But: If we don’t like it, we have to send comments to EMEA. The clock is ticking. Deadline is this Saturday, 11:59 p.m.
❝ Are you sure that this aspect of the new guideline will stick?
You never can be sure...
I’ll give you my personal impressions. I guess there are two reasons why the drafted guideline suggested a switch from nonparametric testing of tmax to parametric testing of partial AUC truncated at median tmax of the reference.
- “Harmonization” with the FDA and Canada (you may also read this as copy-and-paste).
- A deep dislike of nonparametrics by UK’s statisticians.
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Complete thread:
- Hodges-Lehmann Point Estimate Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-26 18:18 [Nonparametrics]
- Moses CI Helmut 2009-01-26 19:43
- Moses CI Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-26 19:51
- Moses CI Helmut 2009-01-26 20:08
- Moses CI martin 2009-01-27 11:25
- Moses CI Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-27 11:41
- Moses CIHelmut 2009-01-27 12:04
- Moses CI in the "power to know" d_labes 2009-01-27 12:10
- Moses CI in the "power to know" Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-27 12:33
- Moses CI Helmut 2009-01-27 12:39
- Deckerian CI d_labes 2009-01-27 13:22
- Deckerian CI martin 2009-01-27 19:10
- Transformers d_labes 2009-01-28 15:32
- Deckerian CI martin 2009-01-27 19:10
- Deckerian CI d_labes 2009-01-27 13:22
- Moses CI Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-27 11:41
- Moses CI Dr Andrew Leary 2009-01-26 19:51
- Moses CI Helmut 2009-01-26 19:43