Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ [NCA / SHAM]
Dear dlabes !
ad) values > LLOQ or beginning <LLOQ: I deal with large molecule drugs – I have only measured values or values below LOQ (limit of quantification) I do not have experience with a “fuzzy range”.
ad) geometric mean. Yes of course your right
but using exp(mean(log(x))) - it is simply not defined. Omitting values to calculate the mean can give you a terrible wrong picture (personal experience: I had a data set that switched from a one-compartmental to a two-compartmental model - by visual inspection - simply by excluding values below LOQ). Values below limit of detection are informative missing and not missing at random!
Ad textbooks: Most of them are applicable for problems in a perfect world. From a theoretical point of view one has to model values below LOQ as censored observations (like in survival studies). I think when you have a perfect situation the geometric mean is applicable whereas in the case of values below LOQ it can give you a terrible wrong picture. For standardization of figures I would go for the arithmetic mean as 1) figures should give an overall unbiased picture and the arithmetic allows to handle values below <LOQ and 2) is theoretically (i.e. asymptotically and on assumption of an intra-subject correlation of zero) justified (which may not be the case using medians or geometric means).
Best regards
martin
PS.: what do you think on providing boxplots per time point instead of means?
ad) values > LLOQ or beginning <LLOQ: I deal with large molecule drugs – I have only measured values or values below LOQ (limit of quantification) I do not have experience with a “fuzzy range”.
ad) geometric mean. Yes of course your right

Ad textbooks: Most of them are applicable for problems in a perfect world. From a theoretical point of view one has to model values below LOQ as censored observations (like in survival studies). I think when you have a perfect situation the geometric mean is applicable whereas in the case of values below LOQ it can give you a terrible wrong picture. For standardization of figures I would go for the arithmetic mean as 1) figures should give an overall unbiased picture and the arithmetic allows to handle values below <LOQ and 2) is theoretically (i.e. asymptotically and on assumption of an intra-subject correlation of zero) justified (which may not be the case using medians or geometric means).
Best regards
martin
PS.: what do you think on providing boxplots per time point instead of means?
Complete thread:
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ d_labes 2008-10-16 13:39 [NCA / SHAM]
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ martin 2008-10-17 13:23
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ d_labes 2008-10-17 15:23
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQmartin 2008-10-17 16:13
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ d_labes 2008-10-19 13:55
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ martin 2008-10-19 19:09
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ d_labes 2008-10-19 13:55
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQmartin 2008-10-17 16:13
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ d_labes 2008-10-17 15:23
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ Frieda 2008-10-29 17:40
- Mean Ct profiles and LLOQ martin 2008-10-17 13:23