Misunderstanding? [Regulatives / Guidelines]

posted by Helmut Homepage – Vienna, Austria, 2021-08-27 23:54 (29 d 04:55 ago) – Posting: # 22553
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Hi ElMaestro,

» If we look at SAS documentation e.g. here and here, then
» 1. I do not understand the underlying math (just try and look into the spectral decomposition things mentioned as part of DDFM derivation; it sends my head spinning).

Wooaah!!

» 2. Whatever SAS does, it seems to require that we work in V through ZGZt+R in order to estimate CI's for the fixed effects.

Seems so.

» It would be interesting to see someone who has solid understanding of matrix theory and stats to work out the equations when the between and within-variability for T cannot be separated.

Definitely not me…

» However, since FDA now threw the mixed model out for semi-replicate designs, …

What on earth gives you this impression? I’m talking about ABE (Stats guidance Appendix E, Progesterone guidance page 8, ANDA guidance page 29):

The following codes are an example of the determination of unscaled average BE for LAUCT with a partially replicate 3-way BE design:

PROC MIXED
  data=pk;
  CLASSES SEQ SUBJ PER TRT;
  MODEL LAUCT = SEQ PER TRT/ DDFM=SATTERTH;
  RANDOM TRT/TYPE=FA0(2) SUB=SUBJ G;
  REPEATED/GRP=TRT SUB=SUBJ;
  ESTIMATE 'T vs. R' TRT 1 -1/CL ALPHA=0.1;
  ods output Estimates=unsc1;
  title1 'unscaled BE 90% CI - guidance version';
  title2 'AUCt';
run;

data unsc1;
  set unsc1;
  unscabe_lower=exp(lower);
  unscabe_upper=exp(upper);
run;

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If reference-scaling is acceptable (right branch), even a spreadsheet (‼) would do.

» … interesting may in reality just mean academically attractive but possible not too useful at this moment.

Nope. Talk to John about his data sets which didn’t converge. Given, FA0(1) did – with a warning – but I think there is a data set posted at Certara’s forum where nothing worked. Study done, no result. THX, [image].

» But who knows - until someone does it and explores it, it is not known if there is an advantageous property hidden somewhere.

Might be. ;-)

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