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posted by mittyri – Russia, 2020-12-11 01:22 (1083 d 18:36 ago) – Posting: # 22136
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Dear Ohlbe,

❝ If I get -2,77556E-17 when I type =(0.5-0.4-0.1), how comes that I get 0 when I type =(-0.1-0.4+0.5) ? The same figures, just in a different order ?

The order matters when you go to floating point arithmetic ;-)

❝ If I get FALSE when I type =0=0.5-0.4-0.1, how comes that I get TRUE when I type =0=-0.4-0.1+0.5 ?

Rightyright. Why did it happen? The root cause is described here
Excel does do some additional operations under the hood.

❝ And to be fair to Excel, the same happens in [image] :

❝

0==(0.5-0.4-0.1)

❝ [1] FALSE

❝ 0==(-0.4-0.1+0.5)

❝ [1] TRUE

❝ Are they first calculating -0.4-0.1=-0.5, which is nicely binarily coded, then -0.5+0.5=0 ?

Yes, take a look at this MS article
Both Excel and R are following IEEE 754, not surprising that the conditions are giving the same results. The problem is only in values representation to the user.

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Kind regards,
Mittyri

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