Missing values [Study Performance]
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Sure – although debatable.
But Ratnakar’s and Atish’s posts dealt with exclusion of subjects based on missing values. If three samples in the area of the expected Cmax were broken in centrifugation we probably will fall into a deep pit (especially if CVintra is low and the sample size is small – a single ‘outlier’ will kill the study). Unless we start fiddling around with cubic splines we will never be able to get a reasonable estimate of Cmax. All NCA methods will grossly underestimate Cmax – which may blow the study. Cmax is nasty in many respects. Even if just a little ‘noise’ is present, PK modeling regularly has its problems getting close to the measured data in this region.
IMHO defining ‘critical regions’ of the profile in the protocol is not a bad idea. No “[…] PK reasons alone”, but common sense added!
If one wants to come up with a hard-core justification of the ‘critical regions’: perform PK modeling (pilot study or literature data) and plot the partial derivatives of parameters vs. time; extremes (min/max) will indicate most influential time points. Remark: never seen this in a protocol – maybe freaks like me do it at home.
❝ "Exclusion of data can never be accepted on basis of stat analysis or for PK reasons alone."
Sure – although debatable.

But Ratnakar’s and Atish’s posts dealt with exclusion of subjects based on missing values. If three samples in the area of the expected Cmax were broken in centrifugation we probably will fall into a deep pit (especially if CVintra is low and the sample size is small – a single ‘outlier’ will kill the study). Unless we start fiddling around with cubic splines we will never be able to get a reasonable estimate of Cmax. All NCA methods will grossly underestimate Cmax – which may blow the study. Cmax is nasty in many respects. Even if just a little ‘noise’ is present, PK modeling regularly has its problems getting close to the measured data in this region.
IMHO defining ‘critical regions’ of the profile in the protocol is not a bad idea. No “[…] PK reasons alone”, but common sense added!
If one wants to come up with a hard-core justification of the ‘critical regions’: perform PK modeling (pilot study or literature data) and plot the partial derivatives of parameters vs. time; extremes (min/max) will indicate most influential time points. Remark: never seen this in a protocol – maybe freaks like me do it at home.

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Complete thread:
- Missing values ratnakar1811 2008-04-02 14:07 [Study Performance]
- Missing values Helmut 2008-04-02 14:54
- Missing values atish_azad 2008-07-29 11:03
- Missing values ElMaestro 2008-07-29 11:21
- Missing valuesHelmut 2008-07-29 21:40
- Missing values ElMaestro 2008-07-31 10:38
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-31 14:36
- Missing values ElMaestro 2008-07-31 10:38
- Missing valuesHelmut 2008-07-29 21:40
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-29 21:18
- Missing values ElMaestro 2008-07-29 11:21
- Missing values atish_azad 2008-07-29 11:03
- Missing values martin 2008-07-29 13:56
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-29 22:18
- Missing values martin 2008-07-30 10:28
- ITT vs. PP data sets Helmut 2008-07-30 13:30
- Missing values d_labes 2008-07-30 13:39
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-30 14:34
- Missing values martin 2008-07-30 14:50
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-30 17:14
- Missing values d_labes 2008-07-31 09:18
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-30 17:14
- Missing values martin 2008-07-30 10:28
- Missing values Helmut 2008-07-29 22:18
- Missing values Helmut 2008-04-02 14:54