Logistic nigthmare [Design Issues]
Hi arl_stat,
I hope you don’t regularly start with the title of a study and then think about the design. I suggest to do it the other way ’round.
There are tons of posts in the forum discussing why the partial replicate (
Combining replicates with multiple doses is very, very tricky. In a naïve way one can think about adding n saturation / switch-over administrations and get for the
In general the intra-subject variability in steady state is substantially lower than after a single dose. If your drug is not nasty (extremely high CV) it might well be that you don’t need reference-scaling at all. I suggest to perform a pilot study to get an idea how the CV behaves.
I hope you don’t regularly start with the title of a study and then think about the design. I suggest to do it the other way ’round.
There are tons of posts in the forum discussing why the partial replicate (
TRR|RTR|RRT
) is a lousy design. One may fail to get a result if reference-scaling is not applicable (swR <0.294) with the FDA’s SAS-code for ABE (no convergence of the – over-specified – mixed-effects model). Please forget this design! Use one of the fully replicated designs instead (four periods: TRTR|RTRT
, TRRT|RTTR
, or TTRR|RRTT
; three periods: TRT|RTR
or TRR|RTT
).Combining replicates with multiple doses is very, very tricky. In a naïve way one can think about adding n saturation / switch-over administrations and get for the
TRT|RTR
this:[n×T]
TRT [n×R] RTR
[n×R] RTR [n×T] TRT
[n×T] T [n×R] R [n×T] T [n×R] R [n×T] T [n×R] R
[n×R] R [n×T] T [n×R] R [n×T] T [n×R] R [n×T] T
In general the intra-subject variability in steady state is substantially lower than after a single dose. If your drug is not nasty (extremely high CV) it might well be that you don’t need reference-scaling at all. I suggest to perform a pilot study to get an idea how the CV behaves.
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Complete thread:
- Multiple Dose, Steady State-Partial reference replicate arl_stat 2018-07-13 13:26 [Design Issues]
- Multiple Dose, Steady State-Partial reference replicate ElMaestro 2018-07-13 13:42
- Logistic nigthmareHelmut 2018-07-13 14:35
- Multiple Dose, Steady State-Partial reference replicate jag009 2018-07-17 06:34