[Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1 [RSABE / ABEL]
❝ I am a new poster, long time lurker.
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❝ I am […] crazy (but not formally trained) about statistics.
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❝ My question involves the case where an entire GMR 90% confidence interval is outside of 100.00 […]. For HVD with wide therapeutic index, I believe this is reasonable. But what about for a NTID with doses that differ by less than 15%?
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❝ I understand this is part of the reason that RSABE and ABEL are implemented. However, let us assume that the Swr is 22% and essentially expands reference scaling to ABE limits. Let us also assume that a 7% difference in BE is clinically significant.
You’ve chosen a nice swR! With the FDA’s RSABE for NTIDs the “implied BE limits” would be wider than the conventional ABE’s 80.00–125.00% for any CVwR >21.42% (swR 0.2118). Hence, according to the book you have to pass the conventional limits as well.
❝ […] I am saying that a large enough sample size can force a test product with e.g. 89% relative BA (e.g. 100mg/112mg) relative to RLD to pass. The difference between 100 and 112mg is clinically significant for this product. I am wondering if adding the condition I talked about from the beginning would help.
OK, let’s ignore ElMaestro’s and John’s concerns about potency for a minute and assume that both drugs have a true potency of 100% (of their labeled contents of 100 and 112 mg).
I know that you are R-geek. Do we really need a large sample size?
library(PowerTOST)
sampleN.NTIDFDA(CV=0.22, theta0=100/112, design="2x2x4", details=FALSE)
+++++++++++ FDA method for NTIDs ++++++++++++
Sample size estimation
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Study design: 2x2x4
log-transformed data (multiplicative model)
1e+05 studies for each step simulated.
alpha = 0.05, target power = 0.8
CVw(T) = 0.22, CVw(R) = 0.22
True ratio = 0.8928571
ABE limits = 0.8 ... 1.25
Regulatory settings: FDA
Sample size
n power
36 0.810220
If everything comes out exactly as assumed, what will we get?
round(100*CI.BE(pe=100/112, CV=0.22, n=36, design="2x2x4", robust=TRUE), 2)
lower upper
83.98 94.93
sigma0 <- 0.1 # CV 10.02505. Why? Ask the FDA.
Impl.Limits <- exp(c(-1, +1)*log(1.11111)*CV2se(0.22)/sigma0)
names(Impl.Limits) <- c("L", "U")
round(100*Impl.Limits, 2)
L U
79.53 125.74
power.NTIDFDA(theta0=100/112, CV=0.22, n=36, design="2x2x4", details=TRUE)
p(BE) p(BE-sABEc) p(BE-ABE) p(BE-sratio)
0.81022 0.83051 0.90737 0.99986
OK, the study passes despite that the GMR is with 82.64% below your clinically significant difference (–7%).
No qualified opinion about your
❝ […] is it reasonable to require the 90% CI for GMR to fall within 1?
But: θ is within the 90% CI of the GMR. The upper CL (94.93%) overlaps with your “relevant” lower limit of 93%.
BTW, for the EMA (fixed BE-limits of 90.00–111.11%) try this:
sampleN.TOST(CV=0.22, theta0=100/112, theta1=0.90, design="2x2x4", details=FALSE)
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- [Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1 ElMaestro 2018-03-28 23:03
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- [Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1 ElMaestro 2018-03-28 19:44
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- [Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1Helmut 2018-03-28 23:57
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- [Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1 jag009 2018-03-29 19:55
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- [Opinion] Should the 90% CI for GMR be required to encompass 1 ElMaestro 2018-03-28 19:07