More samples – less variability (for Cmax) [Design Issues]

posted by Helmut Homepage – Vienna, Austria, 2017-05-23 14:56 (2966 d 19:05 ago) – Posting: # 17393
Views: 5,222

Hi nobody,

❝ Lately I recognize a trend to increase number of samples in study designs for BE-studies to considerably more than 20 per application even for "simple" IR formulations.


❝ First thought: $$$$ (CRO designs study :-) )


Always correct but I think it’s more this one:

❝ Second thought: Might there be a lower variability e.g. for Cmax with increased number of samples around Cmax (effect on AUC will be lower, in the absence of secondary peaks, I guess)? Gut feeling tells me: Possible. But to a relevant extent? Does increase in number of samples from about 16 (oldschool) to far beyond 20 really buy something regarding "quality" of data?


Makes sense. See this oldie.

❝ Isn't there an ethical/practical limit for blood sampling (from the top of my head I remember an absolute limit for blood volume to be taken within a trial...)?


Yes there is. The total volume in the study should not exceed the one of a blood donation (if unavoidable, longer washout, measurement of HCT before later administrations, eventual exclusion of subjects…). But in the old days 10 mL / sample were taken and nowadays 5 mL are common. Still not an issue even for replicate designs. For really extensive sampling (i.e., gastric resistant formulations) 4-period replicate designs are problematic and 3-period replicates might be the only way out.

Since for the EMA AUC72 is acceptable for all IR products, in my studies I shift sampling towards the expected tmax since a reliable estimation of λz is no more needed.

Would be fun to simulate that. Makes a nice paper.

Dif-tor heh smusma 🖖🏼 Довге життя Україна! [image]
Helmut Schütz
[image]

The quality of responses received is directly proportional to the quality of the question asked. 🚮
Science Quotes

Complete thread:

UA Flag
Activity
 Admin contact
23,427 posts in 4,929 threads, 1,681 registered users;
55 visitors (0 registered, 55 guests [including 17 identified bots]).
Forum time: 10:01 CEST (Europe/Vienna)

No matter what side of the argument you are on,
you always find people on your side
that you wish were on the other.    Thomas Berger

The Bioequivalence and Bioavailability Forum is hosted by
BEBAC Ing. Helmut Schütz
HTML5