Method comparison opinion [Bioanalytics]
Dear all,
just put in my two cents.
If one is seriously interested in comparing methods I don’t see why replicates should not be measured. Theoretically the ideal weighting in regression is 1/σ2. The commonly applied 1/x, 1/y,
are only lousy compromises if replicates are not available.
Panos Macheras told me that he once published a paper about Deming’s regression where the variance-ratio is estimated by the following approach:
I don’t like this idea. Working with means would decrease the degrees of freedom of the model. If one has a priori specifications (e.g., intercept n.s. ≠ 0 and/or slope n.s. ≠ 1) with this approach the chance to pass the method comparison would increase.
Yes. Although I’m a fan-boy of non-parametrics here I would be conservative. If there are outliers (i.e., methods do not agree at certain values) IMHO, this fact needs to be explored rather than ignored.
just put in my two cents.
❝ Deming regression is of limited practical use because it requires a priori knowledge of the ratio of the variances, which is rarely available without replicate measurements by each method.
If one is seriously interested in comparing methods I don’t see why replicates should not be measured. Theoretically the ideal weighting in regression is 1/σ2. The commonly applied 1/x, 1/y,

Panos Macheras told me that he once published a paper about Deming’s regression where the variance-ratio is estimated by the following approach:
- Run Deming’s regressions for an arbitrary – but wide – range of variance-ratios (from very low to very high). The theoretical limits would be OLS y|x and x|y – where the entire error lies either in y or x, respectively.
- Calculate the area between the confidence bands around the regressions.
- The model with the minimum area gives the ‘best’ estimate of the variance-ratio.
❝ Deming regression can be used as a second step in the case where replicate measurements are made. The first step is to use the replicates to estimate the method-specific residual variances, and the second is Deming regression using the mean of replicates to estimate the relationship between methods
I don’t like this idea. Working with means would decrease the degrees of freedom of the model. If one has a priori specifications (e.g., intercept n.s. ≠ 0 and/or slope n.s. ≠ 1) with this approach the chance to pass the method comparison would increase.
❝ As far as I understand Bablok approach is robust (as non-parametric) but sensitive to the non-linearity.
Yes. Although I’m a fan-boy of non-parametrics here I would be conservative. If there are outliers (i.e., methods do not agree at certain values) IMHO, this fact needs to be explored rather than ignored.
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