What's your understanding of a standard error? [General Sta­tis­tics]

posted by zizou – Plzeň, Czech Republic, 2016-12-27 20:33 (3113 d 21:00 ago) – Posting: # 16889
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(edited on 2016-12-28 07:15)

Hi ElMaestro,

wikipedia knows more than me and I think there is a good explanation of SE.
The main points to understand (about SD and SE) are:
With increasing sample size:

The calculation of SE of mean (i.e. SD of mean which is different from SD of sample) is on wikipedia (as you mentioned).
I like the proofs:
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(image from wiki)
Easy steps with edit the equation:
var(mean) = 1/N * var(X)
sqrt(var(mean)) = 1/sqrt(N) * sqrt(var(X))
SD(mean) = 1/sqrt(N) * SD(X)
SE of mean = SD(X)/sqrt(N)



In BA/BE 90% CI is calculated from SE of difference T-R for ln-transformed data.
(SE of difference of estimated marginal means T-R)

In the same principles as previous proof (assuming independence and using variance properties) it's possible to derive formula valid for BE in 2x2 crossover design (balanced sequences, if not: mean should be changed somehow for estimated marginal mean in the following):
var(difference T-R) = var(mean_T-mean_R) = var(mean_T) + var((-1)*mean_R) = var(mean_T) + (-1)^2 * var(mean_R) = var(mean_T) + var(mean_R) = 1/N_T * var(X_T) + 1/N_R * var(X_R)
(SE of difference is only square root of variance of difference T-R)

Moreover var(X_T) can be substituted by N_T*SE_T^2 because SE of mean=SD/sqrt(N) which implies SD=sqrt(N)*SE and then var=SD^2=N*SE^2.
So:
SE of difference T-R = SD(difference T-R) = sqrt(var(difference T-R)) = sqrt( 1/N_T * var(X_T) + 1/N_R * var(X_R) ) = sqrt( 1/N_T * N_T*SE_T^2 + 1/N_R * N_R*SE_R^2 ) = sqrt( SE_T^2 + SE_R^2 )
without between steps:
SE of difference T-R = sqrt( SE_T^2 + SE_R^2 )
where SE_T is Standard Error of the mean of ln-data of Test treatment, same for SE_R - Reference treatment.
Nevertheless it is only nice to know (not useful, I guess), GLM gives the result of difference and SE of difference without need of calculation of T and R separately.

Best regards,
zizou
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Edit: In second half of this post, for case of unbalanced sequences the mean should be somehow changed for estimated marginal mean (i.e. LSMean in SAS terminology).

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