3 period full replicate [RSABE / ABEL]
❝ I think the question is whether a replication in only half of ntotal is sufficient in order to scale or ???
Yes it is. Sometimes (!) you’ll need (slightly) more subjects.
TRR|RRT|RTR TRT|RTR
CV n power n power
0.30 27 0.8257 26 0.8191
0.35 30 0.8381 28 0.8037
0.40 27 0.8004 30 0.8156
0.45 30 0.8430 30 0.8064
0.50 30 0.8260 32 0.8174
0.60 36 0.8192 36 0.8013
0.70 45 0.8113 46 0.8187
0.80 57 0.8223 56 0.8155
1.00 78 0.8137 76 0.8025
Note that the partial replicate is a crappy design and sample size estimations are approximate at its best. For details see Detlew’s tractatus in your R-installion folder
…\library\PowerTOST\Implementation_scaledABE_sims.pdf
See also this thread.
❝ in a former statement the "leading European regulatory authority" had no problem with full replicate design (=4 periods and 6 possible sequences)…
Four periods and six sequences? Common are two (RTRT|TRTR). Four were explored in the dark ages of PBE/IBE (RTRT|TRTR|RTTR|TRRT). The analysis was tricky. Of course you could go even beyond that: RTRT|TRTR|RTTR|TRRT|RRTT|TTRR. Have you really done that?
❝ … and half replicate designs (3 periods and 3 sequences).
Sure. That’s what they seem to believe to be the only possible one.
❝ A full replicate 3-period design would not work according to their argumentation since a 3 period design implicity needs 3 sequences.
Crap.
❝ I do not know why.
You are not alone.
❝ Maybe you have an idea?
Maybe because the TRT|RTR is not mentioned in the Q&A? Probably the “leading European regulatory authority” didn’t realize that the two designs given there are nothing more than examples.
To illustrate [sic] these approaches, […] data from a four-period unbalanced study […] and data from a three-period balanced study […] were analysed.
BTW, I disagree with our Captn’s arguments.
❝ ❝ From the perspective of the trial subject the burden associated with the fully replicated design is higher.
Only if we compare a 4-period design to 3-period designs. The burden of particular subjects in the partial replicate and the fully replicated 3-period is identical. Given the table above there are cases where less subjects are required in the fully replicated if compared to the partial replicate.
❝ ❝ Since the additional information obtained in a fully replicated trial does not contribute towards the average bioequivalence conclusion […] it is contended that the fully replicate design is associated with added risk but not additional benefit. In accordance with GCP clause 2.2 the fully replicated design therefore has no obvious merit.
Well, that would imply:
- RTRT|TRTR (which is specifically mentioned in the Q&A) should be avoided.
- Only the TRR|RRT|RTR is acceptable?
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Complete thread:
- 3 period full replicate Dr_Dan 2015-06-24 13:55 [RSABE / ABEL]
- 3 period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-06-24 14:11
- 3 period full replicate Helmut 2015-06-24 14:29
- 3 period full replicate d_labes 2015-06-24 14:38
- 3 period full replicate Dr_Dan 2015-06-24 16:43
- 3 period full replicateHelmut 2015-06-24 18:00
- 3 period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-06-24 18:11
- 3 period full replicate Helmut 2015-06-24 18:25
- 3 period full replicate d_labes 2015-06-25 08:52
- 3 period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-06-25 10:37
- 3 period full replicate d_labes 2015-06-25 08:52
- 3 period full replicate Helmut 2015-06-24 18:25
- 3 period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-06-24 18:11
- CVs (borderline OT) Helmut 2015-06-26 13:51
- CVs (R, T) from pooled CV d_labes 2015-07-02 09:09
- Answering an unasked question Helmut 2015-07-02 13:03
- Answer to an unasked answer d_labes 2015-07-02 14:21
- Bloody typo! Helmut 2015-07-02 14:33
- Answer to an unasked answer d_labes 2015-07-02 14:21
- Answering an unasked question Helmut 2015-07-02 13:03
- CVs (borderline OT) zizou 2015-07-05 19:20
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate d_labes 2015-07-06 11:10
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-07-06 11:59
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate d_labes 2015-07-06 13:53
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate zizou 2015-07-06 17:25
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate ElMaestro 2015-07-06 11:59
- Degrees of freedom 3-period full replicate d_labes 2015-07-06 11:10
- CVs (R, T) from pooled CV d_labes 2015-07-02 09:09
- 3 period full replicateHelmut 2015-06-24 18:00
- 3 period full replicate Dr_Dan 2015-06-24 16:43
- The almighty oracle has spoken! Helmut 2015-07-23 23:54
- Almighty oracle's mysterious saying d_labes 2015-07-24 08:23