compromise [Bioanalytics]
Dear Helmut,
In my experience most labs would only have 8 calibration levels, not 10. And a 200-fold difference between LLOQ and ULOQ would be quite common in BE (possibly wider in pre-clinical). But OK, the principle remains the same.
85 % of the ULOQ may be a bit high. You are likely to get some values above the ULOQ. Not a problem during study sample analysis (the QC fails, that's all), but more difficult to handle during method validation, where you have to calculate precision and accuracy.
Not on a log scale... But looking at it on a linear scale you have no calibrator between 120 and 200, which represents a significant portion of your range.
Sure. But looking at the calibration plots the first portion of the curve often looks quite linear and would actually perform quite well with a linear fit. It is only the highest calibration samples that justify a quadratic fit. If I take your example, what I have seen a few times is situations where looking only at the calibrators from 2 to 120 I would go for a linear fit. Then the 200 calibrator has a lower response. What is it due to: a really non-linear response ? Or just a spiking issue ? With no point in between it becomes quite difficult to answer that question.
❝ Let’s explore the example from above (x = 2–200, n = 10).
In my experience most labs would only have 8 calibration levels, not 10. And a 200-fold difference between LLOQ and ULOQ would be quite common in BE (possibly wider in pre-clinical). But OK, the principle remains the same.
❝ I would place [...] the HQC maybe between St9 & 10 (170 = 85% of ULOQ).
85 % of the ULOQ may be a bit high. You are likely to get some values above the ULOQ. Not a problem during study sample analysis (the QC fails, that's all), but more difficult to handle during method validation, where you have to calculate precision and accuracy.
❝ There is no gap in calibrators.
Not on a log scale... But looking at it on a linear scale you have no calibrator between 120 and 200, which represents a significant portion of your range.
❝ ❝ (where does it become non-linear ?)
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❝ Nowhere; it’s nonlinear in the entire range.
Sure. But looking at the calibration plots the first portion of the curve often looks quite linear and would actually perform quite well with a linear fit. It is only the highest calibration samples that justify a quadratic fit. If I take your example, what I have seen a few times is situations where looking only at the calibrators from 2 to 120 I would go for a linear fit. Then the 200 calibrator has a lower response. What is it due to: a really non-linear response ? Or just a spiking issue ? With no point in between it becomes quite difficult to answer that question.
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Regards
Ohlbe
Regards
Ohlbe
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- QC medium: short answer Helmut 2012-10-18 16:14
- QC medium: short answer ElMaestro 2012-10-18 16:51
- QC medium: lengthy answer Helmut 2012-10-19 15:47
- QC medium concentration in 2014 Debbie 2014-06-10 19:42
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-17 14:30
- ~geometric mean of range nobody 2014-06-17 14:49
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-17 15:11
- ~geometric mean of range nobody 2014-06-17 18:26
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-18 16:07
- compromise ElMaestro 2014-06-18 17:43
- compromise Ohlbe 2014-06-18 20:00
- compromise Helmut 2014-06-19 01:13
- compromiseOhlbe 2014-06-19 11:15
- compromise Helmut 2014-06-19 01:13
- compromise Ohlbe 2014-06-18 20:00
- compromise nobody 2014-06-19 14:10
- compromise ElMaestro 2014-06-18 17:43
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-18 16:07
- ~geometric mean of range nobody 2014-06-17 18:26
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-17 15:11
- ~geometric mean of range nobody 2014-06-17 14:49
- ~geometric mean of range Helmut 2014-06-17 14:30
- QC medium concentration in 2014 Debbie 2014-06-10 19:42
- QC medium: short answer Helmut 2012-10-18 16:14