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NOBOUND [Software]

posted by Helmut – Vienna, Austria, 2014-02-03 23:08 (4503 d 19:36 ago) – Posting: # 12328
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Hi Yung-jin,

❝ Sorry but I think it should be NOBOUND option with Proc MIXED.

Absolutely right – I dabble in SAS. I just have the 6.3-Manual (a verbose 8,640 pages):

NOBOUND

requests the removal of boundary constraints on covariance parameters. For example, variance components have a default lower boundary constraint of 0, and the NOBOUND option allows their estimates to be negative.

Parameter Constraints

By default, some covariance parameters are assumed to satisfy certain boundary constraints during the Newton-Raphson algorithm. For example, variance components are constrained to be nonnegative […]. You can remove these constraints […] with the NOBOUND option in the PROC MIXED statement, but this can lead to estimates that produce an infinite likelihood. […]
For some data sets the final estimate of a parameter might equal one of its boundary constraints. This is usually not a cause for concern, but it might lead you to consider a different model. For instance, a variance component estimate can equal zero; in this case, you might want to drop the corresponding random effect from the model. However, be aware that changing the model in this fashion can affect degrees-of-freedom calculations.

Convergence Problems

Using the NOPROFILE and NOBOUND options in the PROC MIXED statement might help convergence, although they can produce unusual results.

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    - Negative variance component ElMaestro 2014-01-31 08:20
    - Negative variance component yjlee168 2014-01-31 10:26
      - Example data set Helmut 2014-02-01 16:03
        
        Example data set yjlee168 2014-02-01 17:40
        
        PHX build 6.3.0.395 / 6.4.0.511 Helmut 2014-02-02 02:04
        
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      - Negative variance component yjlee168 2014-02-01 17:47
        
        Just thinking loud ElMaestro 2014-02-01 19:02
        
        All models are wrong… Helmut 2014-02-02 02:31
        
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      - References Helmut 2014-02-02 02:19
        
        References ElMaestro 2014-02-02 09:56
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        Variance components – Proc mixed ElMaestro 2014-02-03 12:58
        
        Variance components – Proc mixed 90% CIs d_labes 2014-02-03 13:16
        Variance components – Proc mixed Helmut 2014-02-03 14:14
        
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        lm() or lme() for 2x2x2 study design? ElMaestro 2014-02-03 22:11
        
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