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lm() or lme() for 2x2x2 study design? [Software]

posted by yjlee168 – Kaohsiung, Taiwan, 2014-02-03 21:22 (4156 d 05:53 ago) – Posting: # 12326
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(edited on 2014-02-03 21:55)

Dear Detlew and all,

Thanks for your messages. Great discussions.

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❝ There is also a formula giving the probability for obtaining a negative estimate, which is (was?) available in bear, I think.

Do you mean VarCorr() in lme()? yes, but I didn't use it any more. The question is that in bear we use lm() first, and get the negative variance. Then we can switch to use lme(..., method="REML") to re-do it for that negative variance (i.e., when CV_inter is NaN, if(is.nan(CV_inter){do lme()}). Why do we need to know the probability for obtaining a negative estimate? BTW, should we consider to use lme() instead if lm() for all 2x2x2 BE study since there seems no regulatory consideration? That really can avoid negative variances, though it happens occasionally.

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