pAUCs, alternative metrics, alcohol [Regulatives / Guidelines]
❝ I know the guideline said both test and reference.
❝ What I was trying to ask is if anyone mentioned this point so we might get generic product with AUCτ/AUC0-∞ is <90% for reference but >90% for test. It's a long shot I know.
Nobody raised this question. In my understanding you will get an approval, only the MD study will be mandatory. Up to you to send a comment to the EMA.
❝ OK. What about "better alcohol effect" ?
❝ We know in vitro dissolution with alcohol (0, 5, 10, 20%, and maybe 40% as well as FDA did) will be required and the "criterion" is "similar effect".
I didn’t take notes, so we have to wait for the presentations at EUFEP’s website. Maybe Dan does remember? In a recent line extension we were asked for 0, 5, 20, and 40% at pH 1.2 for two hours.
❝ But for alcohol, maybe "better" and "equivalent" is not that contradictory? […] for alcohol I'd say it should be allowed to have generic product release less in alcohol than reference.
I would support that.
❝ Anyone mentioned this in the discussion?
Not that I recall. However, there was a lengthy discussion whether the GL should concentrate on “intended use” or “misuse”. Food effects and alcohol-related dose dumping are different.
- Independent from what is stated in the SmPC (no food effect, without/with food, or even specific type of food, e.g., light breakfast) in real life administration contrary to the SmPC will happen regularly. So this is a very important issue.
- Intake together with alcohol might range from “possible” to “almost never”. As you know this issue has its origin in the oxycodone-story. Quite often terminal cancer patients take opiates together with strong spirits. On the other hand chances that this might happen with a pediatric formulation are close to nil.
❝ ❝ Imagine two applications:
❝ When you put it this way, it's crystal-clear.
Sometimes I fail to make myself clear in the first place. Sorry.
❝ […] No MD study for DR dosage form, that's clear from the guideline (unless they change their mind of course).
❝ What I meant to say was that Line 800 indicated that Cmax, AUC0-t, AUC0-∞ and partialAUC will be required for MR formulation in single dose study. My argument is that only the former 3 parameters should be required for DR formulation and all 4 parameters required for prolonged-release formulation in single dose study. That's impression I got from Budapest conference.
Gotcha. Does partialAUC in line 800 mean only the first one (singular; like the FDA’s/TGD’s early exposure)? Seems so, because for prolonged release (line 805) the EMA uses the plural: “early and terminal partialAUCs”. Another ambiguity which calls for a comment. There was some discussion whether this section should be extended to:
“AUC(0-t), AUC(0-∞), Cmax and a representative parameter of the shape of the curve, e.g., (early and terminal partialAUCs)”
❝ ❝ However, this question was raised. The main concern is AUCT-∞ instead of AUCT-t for PR. Higher variability and not consistent with US/CAN. Whatever the outcome will be (and I don’t think MD will be required for DR) it will affect projects starting 1½ years from now (my guess about the timeline).
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❝ Not sure if I understood your message correctly, you mean that pAUC (in single dose study) will be required for DR formulation as well?
For DR I guess only the first pAUC will be required (line 800); see also what I wrote above.
- Plateau time (t75%) or Peak Occupancy Time (POT-25): Time period during which concentrations are within 25% of Cmax.
- Half-value duration (HVD), POT-50: Time period during which concentrations are within 50% of Cmax. According to László Endrényi (EUFEPS, Barcelona 2010) more stable than POT-25.
- Besides #1 and #2, other metrics suggested in Barcelona:
Capical: Average of concentrations within POT.
AUCapical: Average of AUCs within POT.
MDT: Median duration time.
For the cut-off time point of early exposure Endrényi et al. (1998) suggested the earlier tmax calculated for each subject.
- Endrényi L, Csizmadia L, Tóthfalusi L, Balch AH, Chen M-L. The Duration of Measuring Partial AUCs for the Assessment of Bioequivalence. Pharm Res. 1998; 15(3): 399–404. doi:10.1023/A:1011916113082
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Complete thread:
- Draft EMA MR formulations GL published! Ohlbe 2013-03-15 12:10 [Regulatives / Guidelines]
- Housekeeping suggestions Helmut 2013-03-15 13:28
- Scaling for pAUCs Helmut 2013-03-15 14:19
- Draft EMA MR formulations GL published! ioanam 2013-03-30 17:54
- Topicals → 1995 NfG Helmut 2013-03-30 22:51
- Topicals, generic ElMaestro 2013-03-31 19:26
- Topicals, generic ioanam 2013-04-01 07:51
- Topicals, generic The Outlaw Torn 2013-04-01 08:03
- Topicals, generic ioanam 2013-04-01 07:51
- Clarity on waiving multiple dose study Tina 2013-05-15 14:19
- Hey, it is just a draft! Helmut 2013-05-17 18:49
- Critical review of García-Arieta et al. (2012) Helmut 2013-06-29 19:44
- Hey, it is just a draft! Helmut 2013-05-17 18:49
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Helmut 2013-06-21 19:24
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Shuanghe 2013-06-25 17:22
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Helmut 2013-06-25 19:15
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Shuanghe 2013-06-27 11:07
- pAUCs, alternative metrics, alcoholHelmut 2013-06-27 14:38
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Shuanghe 2013-06-27 11:07
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Helmut 2013-06-25 19:15
- SD vs. MD, partial AUCs Shuanghe 2013-06-25 17:22
- tmax (DR & multiphasic) Helmut 2013-06-22 01:15
- Presentations of the EUFEPS meeting Helmut 2013-07-15 15:50
- ⧫ Deadline approaching ⧫ Helmut 2013-08-16 16:41
- Download comment form Helmut 2013-08-26 11:28
- Food effect Compliance 2013-08-26 12:04
- Food effect Dr_Dan 2013-08-26 16:48
- Variability (MR vs. IR) Helmut 2013-09-12 15:23