CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes… [General Statistics]
❝ Interesting. I am not extremely well versed with either package but am curious to learn why this would need be done. Could you explain a little, please?
I know SAS only from hearsay. From Pharsight’s Support Site:
Solution for WinNonlin Bioequivalence Warning 11094: Negative final variance component
The negative final Variance Component warning most likely indicates that, if using Subj(Seq) as a random effect, the within-subject variance (residual) is greater than the between-subject variance. Probably a more appropriate model is to move Subj(Seq) out of the random model and into the fixed model, i.e.,
Sequence+Subject(Sequence)+Formulation+Period
❝ Is it a convergence/optimizer thing?
Don’t think so. If you give me some days I will dig out a data set.*
❝ And would it in SAS be something other than PROC GLM cf. the bogus statement?
Duno. Detlew?
- As an appetizer one dataset where CVintra ~5×CVinter. Folinic acid after 15 mg IR calcium folinate, SD, fasting, LLOQ 5 ng/mL (0.95% of Cmax), all extrapolated areas <20% (median 6.9%), n=24 (nRT=11, nTR=13):
Subject Period Treatment Sequence AUCt
1 1 R RT 8551.8
1 2 T RT 4538.3
2 1 T TR 2199.6
2 2 R TR 11036.4
3 1 R RT 3498.7
3 2 T RT 10710.5
4 1 T TR 3419.9
4 2 R TR 6447.8
5 1 T TR 4523.4
5 2 R TR 5190.9
6 1 R RT 6744.1
6 2 T RT 5244.8
8 1 T TR 7043.7
8 2 R TR 3786.6
9 1 T TR 3948.0
9 2 R TR 7159.8
10 1 R RT 4723.4
10 2 T RT 2275.2
11 1 T TR 1768.7
11 2 R TR 2380.9
12 1 R RT 9048.8
12 2 T RT 6669.6
13 1 T TR 8922.0
13 2 R TR 2443.8
14 1 R RT 3817.9
14 2 T RT 3841.7
15 1 R RT 9801.1
15 2 T RT 3286.6
16 1 T TR 4159.6
16 2 R TR 3217.2
17 1 T TR 5566.6
17 2 R TR 9262.4
18 1 R RT 13406.3
18 2 T RT 7070.3
20 1 T TR 5030.5
20 2 R TR 6086.9
21 1 T TR 3989.6
21 2 R TR 3019.1
22 1 R RT 7644.5
22 2 T RT 10794.6
23 1 R RT 6152.1
23 2 T RT 3448.3
24 1 T TR 5519.4
24 2 R TR 5583.8
25 1 R RT 10842.8
25 2 T RT 11058.5
26 1 T TR 5879.7
26 2 R TR 5539.5
PHX could fit subjects(sequence) as random without any tweaks. CVintra 49.15%, CVinter 9.991%. Somehow surprising since the individual T/R-ratios range from 19.9–365%!
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Complete thread:
- Intra subject variability vs Inter subject variability rana 2013-03-01 13:20 [General Statistics]
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes… Helmut 2013-03-01 16:12
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes… ElMaestro 2013-03-01 20:51
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes…Helmut 2013-03-01 23:10
- CVinter < CVintra or negative variance component? d_labes 2013-03-02 15:57
- Sometimes both… Helmut 2013-03-02 18:46
- Must be the optimizer for Mixed Effects Muddles ElMaestro 2013-03-02 22:22
- Fixed Effects Muddleties d_labes 2013-03-05 12:57
- Fixed Effects Muddleties ElMaestro 2013-03-05 13:06
- Fixed Effects Muddleties Helmut 2013-03-05 15:53
- Fixed Effects Muddleties d_labes 2013-03-05 12:57
- CVinter < CVintra or negative variance component? d_labes 2013-03-02 15:57
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes…Helmut 2013-03-01 23:10
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes… ElMaestro 2013-03-01 20:51
- CVinter < CVintra: happens sometimes… Helmut 2013-03-01 16:12