Fed → fasting [Design Issues]
Hi A.Shtaiwi,
I suggest to reverse the order of your option 3 and go with
To consider:The assessment of food effects of test (C/A) and reference (D/B) is only ‘nice to know’. Exclude the respective other conditions to get incomplete block designs and evaluate them as paired groups (assuming equal period effects).
❝ […] would it be acceptable to give all subjects the fasting treatments first (Periods 1–2) and then the fed treatments (Periods 3–4)?
❝ Or do we need to randomize subjects so that fasting and fed are mixed across periods?
❝ A = Test, fasting
❝ B = Reference, fasting
❝ C = Test, fed
❝ D = Reference, fed
I suggest to reverse the order of your option 3 and go with
S1: C → D → A → B
S2: D → C → B → A
To consider:
- Don’t perform an ANOVA of pooled data. Not only the variances of the parts will be different but very likely the estimates will be biased as well. Evaluate the fed and fasting parts separately. This is also recommended in ICH M13A:
- In studies with more than two treatment arms, e.g., a four-period study examining fasting and fed conditions […], the analysis for each comparison should be conducted excluding the data from the treatment arms that are not relevant for the comparison in question.
❝ Which approach would regulators (e.g. EMA) accept?
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Complete thread:
- Sequences of BE study under both fasting and fed studies A.Shtaiwi 2025-09-03 12:40
- Sequences of BE study under both fasting and fed studies ElMaestro 2025-09-04 08:05
- Sequences of BE study under both fasting and fed studies A.Shtaiwi 2025-09-07 05:52
- Fed → fastingHelmut 2025-09-04 08:26
- Fed (failed) → fasting (succeeded) mittyri 2025-09-22 11:01
- Fed (failed) → fasting (succeeded) Helmut 2025-09-23 15:35
- Fed (failed) → fasting (succeeded) mittyri 2025-09-22 11:01
- Sequences of BE study under both fasting and fed studies ElMaestro 2025-09-04 08:05
