Tmax (WinNonlin) [Nonparametrics]
Dear Joshi!
In the workbook you need the following columns: subject, sequence, treatment, Tmax.
WinNonlin has an unreported bug, giving differences always in alphabetical order...
(Just a side note for people who like software 'validation' by developers: if I remember it correctly the 'validation pack' costs about 75% of the the initial price of the software or 4× the annual licence - but nonparametrics are not a strength of WinNonlin - to say it politely).
If your treatments are coded 'test' and 'reference' WinNonlin will come up with:
in the column
in the columns
Again, don't forget to change the sign of these three values, if the coding of your test treatment is in lexical order before the code of the reference treatment!
Example:
If you know FORTRAN or somebody with a little experience in programming, you can compute exact values of U for any combination of subjects within sequences (very useful, because the table given by Hauschke et al. covers only up to 24 subjects).*
This has nothing to do with statistics; you must ask a specialist in the medical field. For instance a difference of 30 minutes may be clinically relevant for a pain-killer (I want my headaches to go away – now!); for venlafaxine in steady state even hours may be irrelevant (but I'm neither a physician nor a patient – so I can't tell).
❝ We have WinNonlin and trying to measure with 90% CI.
In the workbook you need the following columns: subject, sequence, treatment, Tmax.
Tools > Crossover Design...
drag subject, sequence, treatment to the named fields and Tmax to Response CalculateWinNonlin has an unreported bug, giving differences always in alphabetical order...

If your treatments are coded 'test' and 'reference' WinNonlin will come up with:
Treatment_Diff_(reference - test)
(!!)in the column
Median
: the point estimatein the columns
CI_Lower
and CI_Upper
you find the confidence interval - in the second row the 90% Confidence_Level
.Again, don't forget to change the sign of these three values, if the coding of your test treatment is in lexical order before the code of the reference treatment!
Example:
- Test coded 'T' or 'test', reference coded 'R' or 'reference'
→ wrong, because T>R: change signs of PE and CL!
- Test coded 'A', reference coded 'B'
→ correct, because A<B...
- Don't be surprised that the point estimate is not the one you probably expect; many people think it's just the difference of medians of test and reference, but actually it's the median of all pairwaise differences (for details see the reference given already).
- The confidence level given in the 4th column (Heading
Exact
) is rarely what it seems to be, namely exact. I had many conversations with Pharsight's support over the years and simply gave up, because I don't use WinNonlin for nonparametrics myself.
E.g., for 12 subjects (balanced 6/6) WinNonlin comes up with 0.9000; correct is 0.9069…
If you know FORTRAN or somebody with a little experience in programming, you can compute exact values of U for any combination of subjects within sequences (very useful, because the table given by Hauschke et al. covers only up to 24 subjects).*
❝ But what exactly meant by clinically determined rage?
This has nothing to do with statistics; you must ask a specialist in the medical field. For instance a difference of 30 minutes may be clinically relevant for a pain-killer (I want my headaches to go away – now!); for venlafaxine in steady state even hours may be irrelevant (but I'm neither a physician nor a patient – so I can't tell).
- Dinneen LC, Blakesley BC. Algorithm AS 62: A Generator for the Sampling Distribution of the Mann- Whitney U Statistic. J Roy Stat Soc C. 1973;22(2):269–73. doi:10.2307/2346934.
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Complete thread:
- Tmax chidambarajoshi 2008-08-13 10:02
- Tmax ElMaestro 2008-08-13 10:25
- Tmax chidambarajoshi 2008-08-13 10:49
- Tmax (EU) Helmut 2008-08-13 13:48
- Tmax (EU) chidambarajoshi 2008-08-14 06:30
- Tmax (WinNonlin)Helmut 2008-08-14 20:12
- Tmax (WinNonlin) chidambarajoshi 2008-08-25 09:47
- Tmax (WinNonlin) SDavis 2008-11-18 19:47
- Tmax (WinNonlin) Helmut 2008-11-18 20:15
- Tmax (Phoenix WinNonlin 6.0/6.1) Helmut 2009-06-12 18:55
- Tmax (WinNonlin)Helmut 2008-08-14 20:12
- Tmax (EU) chidambarajoshi 2008-08-14 06:30
- Tmax (EU) Helmut 2008-08-13 13:48
- Tmax chidambarajoshi 2008-08-13 10:49
- Tmax ElMaestro 2008-08-13 10:25