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posted by Helmut 
– Vienna, Austria, 2016-05-24 16:27 (3687 d 23:27 ago) – Posting: # 16359
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Dear all,
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My preference is REML/Satterthwaite because one could reproduce results in three different software packages. I would avoid NCSS; no idea how the calculation is done.
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lmerTest() one can get maximum likelihood estimation by setting the argument REML=FALSE in the model statement (default is REML=TRUE). Satterthwaite’s DF are 10.858 for the intercept and 6.884 for the slope. In lme() use method="ML" (default is method="REML"). Below a compilation (in analogy to BE rounded to four decimal figures and grouped by “similarity”):Software Method Estimate 90% CI
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SAS (Smith) ML/Satter. B0 1.94 1.54 2.35
B1 0.7615 0.679 0.844
SAS ML/Satter. B0 1.9425 1.5391 2.3458
B1 0.7615 0.6789 0.8441
R lmerTest ML/Satter. B0 1.9425 1.5391 2.3458
B1 0.7615 0.6789 0.8441
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R lme ML B0 1.9425 1.5175 2.3675
B1 0.7615 0.6738 0.8491
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SAS ML/contain. B0 1.9414 1.5175 2.3675
B1 0.7615 0.6738 0.8491
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SAS REML/Satter. B0 1.9414 1.4968 2.3860
B1 0.7617 0.6696 0.8539
PHX/WNL REML/Satter. B0 1.9414 1.4968 2.3860
B1 0.7617 0.6696 0.8539
R lmerTest REML/Satter. B0 1.9414 1.4968 2.3860
B1 0.7617 0.6696 0.8539
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NCSS method? B0 1.9414 1.4849 2.3978
B1 0.7617 0.6659 0.8576
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SAS ML/contain. B0 1.9414 1.4807 2.4020
B1 0.7617 0.6665 0.8570
R lme REML B0 1.9414 1.4807 2.4020
B1 0.7617 0.6665 0.8570
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PHX/WNL REML/resid. B0 1.9414 1.4515 2.4313
B1 0.7617 0.6665 0.8570My preference is REML/Satterthwaite because one could reproduce results in three different software packages. I would avoid NCSS; no idea how the calculation is done.
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