Repeats [Study Assessment]
Hi Sam,
This could be seen as bad and unethical science, and depending on where you submit for approval you may get a thumbs down.
You should not blindly repeat a study just because it had the 'wrong' outcome. There are situations where you can justify a repeat, notably:
❝ (...) the Fasting pivotal data has unexpected outcome. So we wanted to repeat the whole study (...)
This could be seen as bad and unethical science, and depending on where you submit for approval you may get a thumbs down.
You should not blindly repeat a study just because it had the 'wrong' outcome. There are situations where you can justify a repeat, notably:
- If you have a reason to believe the study conduct was flawed and results not trustworthy, then do an audit and investigate. If your audit truly confirms the presence of a problem then you may be able to repeat the study.
- If the study failed because of potential lack of power (wide CIs) then you may be able to repeat with a higher sample size. But this is a tricky matter because you will have to decide which PE to use for the calculation of sample size. If you observed a PE of e.g. 0.87 in the latest study, well then you might use that for the calculation and your sample size could go astronomical. After all, the PE from your latest study is a maximum likelihood estimate. Some companies will plug in a PE which is included in the latest observed CI but which is perhaps closer to unity than the latest PE. For example, if the CI was 0.72-1.01 then the PE was around 0.853, and it can be argued that the true PE might be 0.95 - at least there is not significance against that assumption. But plugging in 0.95 for sample size with 80% power or something like that although tempting is a risk of considerable magnitude; the apparent power of 80% is nice to report to management but is not likely to reflect the chance of approval.
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Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
Pass or fail!
ElMaestro
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- Posting style & incomplete information Helmut 2013-07-28 12:32
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- RTFM! Helmut 2013-07-29 07:53
- RTFM! sam 2013-07-29 08:40
- copy & paste error or what? Helmut 2013-07-29 11:14
- copy & paste error or what? sam 2013-07-29 12:46
- copy & paste error or what? Helmut 2013-07-29 11:14
- Calm down! jag009 2013-07-29 16:06
- RTFM! sam 2013-07-29 08:40
- Slightly off-topic: The wonders of pilot trials ElMaestro 2013-07-29 09:19
- Futility rule? Helmut 2013-07-29 12:16
- Futility rule? ElMaestro 2013-07-29 12:46
- Slightly off-topic: The wonders of pilot trials sam 2013-07-29 12:41
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- EOD Helmut 2013-07-29 13:18
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- Futility rule? Helmut 2013-07-29 12:16
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- Posting style & incomplete information sam 2013-07-30 06:08
- RTFM! Helmut 2013-07-29 07:53
- Posting style & incomplete information sam 2013-07-29 06:46
- Bad science ElMaestro 2013-07-28 12:43
- Posting style & incomplete information Helmut 2013-07-28 12:32
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- Regulatory Query for study repeat jag009 2013-07-27 22:29
- Regulatory Query for study repeat sam 2013-07-29 12:36
- Regulatory Query for study repeat luvblooms 2013-07-30 08:28
- More questions.. jag009 2013-07-30 16:53
- Regulatory Query for study repeat luvblooms 2013-07-30 08:28
- Regulatory Query for study repeat sam 2013-07-29 12:36
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