no lambda(z), no NCA? [NCA / SHAM]
Thank you for your messages.
❝ Most people would do so – although I’ve seen others who took samples after τ.
For what purpose to take blood sample after tau? Is it worth to do so?
❝ We should be cautious in using ‘terminal phase’ – especially in NCA. Personally I prefer ‘apparent elimination’ [...]
Absolutely agree.
❝ In steady state within τ you may get a value similar to SD, but with noisy data – and if more than one compartment is needed to describe [...]
So, it looks like that no lambdaz, no NCA...

❝ Tricky. I would not try to play around with elimination from steady state within τ.
It is inevitable for us in Taiwan or in China to conduct a multiple-dose BE/BA study when the target product is modified release dosage form.
❝ Accumulation index is easy – and actually the most interesting metric if we compare SD with MD. I only use
\text{(steady state)}\\
\text{(single dose)}
\end{matrix}\)
The formula is only for when conducting both a SD and a MD BE/BA studies simultaneously. If we just have a MD BE study, we still need a lambdaz.
❝ Vss is a strange metric. It sounds so easy to divide [...]
Indeed. We calculate Vss just because WinNonlin does so. Not a necessary procedure in a BE study.
❝ That’s rubbish. WinNonlin uses
❝ which needs λz, a constant τ (what about a dose regimen of 6/6/12 or actual sampling times?), and is only valid for a one-compartmental model (the most serious drawback). [...]
Good point!
Since we're about to release next version (v2.3.3) of bear, we added data analysis for MD BE/BA since this release. I used to estimate lambdaz of MD study with the same method that we did in SD study. However, I was not very comfortable to do so for a long time.
All the best,
-- Yung-jin Lee
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Complete thread:
- half-life in multiple-dosed steady-state BE/BA study? yjlee168 2009-07-14 14:16
- half-life in steady state; WinNonlin Helmut 2009-07-15 15:09
- no lambda(z), no NCA?yjlee168 2009-07-16 11:53
- NCA without lambda(z) Helmut 2009-07-16 14:06
- No rule is the rule - lambda(z) of MD BE yjlee168 2009-07-16 22:17
- NCA without lambda(z) Helmut 2009-07-16 14:06
- Distinguish accumulation oksanachlebko 2018-01-05 00:10
- no lambda(z), no NCA?yjlee168 2009-07-16 11:53
- half-life in steady state; WinNonlin Helmut 2009-07-15 15:09