EMA Morris dance [RSABE / ABEL]
Dear Helmut!
Thanks for pointing me to this Gem I had read over up to now!

Concerning your bonus questions:
No distinct answer from my side.
For our ongoing studies we have decided to go with the FDA model (both 90% CI and sigmawR) because
Lets see what our sponsors will do.
I am seeking for a compilation of arguments why the EMA model is inferior, which I will write down in my SAP.
Here my two cents:
1) Willavize, Morgenthien
"Comparision of models for average bioequivalence in replicated crossover designs"
Pharm. Stat. 2006 Jul-Sep;5(3):201-11.
Dear all! You are invited to contribute to this list and qualify it, preferably with literature, if you are also convinced that the FDA model is superior.
BTW: The Morrisk dance plays a prominent role in some of Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" novels. This Literature is highly recommended for people having contact with institutions like EMA for their mental health
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❝ The following code removes all the test data from the data-set and then fits a model where the residual variance corresponds to the within subject variance for the test product.
Thanks for pointing me to this Gem I had read over up to now!

Concerning your bonus questions:
No distinct answer from my side.
For our ongoing studies we have decided to go with the FDA model (both 90% CI and sigmawR) because
- we have written it down in the study protocols
- We are convinced that it is the correct model, if not partial replicate
Lets see what our sponsors will do.
I am seeking for a compilation of arguments why the EMA model is inferior, which I will write down in my SAP.
Here my two cents:
- The assumptions of the EMA recommended evaluation can not a-priori justified. Especially the evaluation of the average BE via a model assuming equal intra-subject variabilities of the Test and reference formulations (model A - Proc GLM evaluation same as for a 2x2 crossover) is contradictory to the reasons of use of a replicate crossover, namely the possibility to estimate separate intra-subject variabilities.
- As the EMA Q&A already states "...This model (Model C - FDA model) will provide the same point estimate as methods A and B if all subjects provide data for all treatment periods. However it will generally give wider confidence intervals than those produced by methods A and B..."
This may lead to anticonservative behaviour with an inflation of the patients risk above 5%.
As Willavize and Morgenthien have shown by simulations1) especially the neglection of the subject-by-treatment interaction may result in a type I error inflation up to 17%.
- It is well known that the least square estimates of the treatment effects are only unbiased if there are no missings in the data. From the dataset I of the EMA Q&A it is nevertheless obvious that these estimates should be used in case of missings.
- The estimation of the intra-subject variance of the Reference formulation with a model neglecting the data for the Test formulation bears the danger of bias in the estimates of the period effects and presumable also the estimates of s2wR.
1) Willavize, Morgenthien
"Comparision of models for average bioequivalence in replicated crossover designs"
Pharm. Stat. 2006 Jul-Sep;5(3):201-11.
Dear all! You are invited to contribute to this list and qualify it, preferably with literature, if you are also convinced that the FDA model is superior.
BTW: The Morrisk dance plays a prominent role in some of Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" novels. This Literature is highly recommended for people having contact with institutions like EMA for their mental health

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Regards,
Detlew
Regards,
Detlew
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- Replicate design Vienna waltz d_labes 2011-04-28 08:54
- Replicate design limbo Helmut 2011-04-27 16:52
- Replicate design limbo Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-27 16:11
- Replicate design limbo Helmut 2011-04-27 13:43
- Replicate design ElMaestro 2011-04-21 13:04