Replicate design limbo [RSABE / ABEL]
Dear Andrew!
No, your horse refused to jump the first fence, unseating the rider.
Try a conventional 2×2 without sequence: The CI (T/R) should be exactly the same.
In a 2×4 replicate I get differences in the 6th significant figure.
In the EU you have to stick with EMA's crippled model anyhow.
BTW, you are not the first asking this question.
What you can do, is start with EMA's suggestion (throw away all test data), and recode periods to "occasion":
In sequence RTRT period 1 => occasion 1, period 3 => occasion 2
In sequence TRTR period 2 => occasion 1, period 4 => occasion 2
Set up a model with fixed effects occasion+subject, estimate "occasion 2-1"
With EMA's dataset I get (back-transformed):
Occasion 1: 2032, Occasion 2: 2249
Occasion 2/1: 110.64% (90% CI: 97.74 - 125.24%), CV 47.32% (which is identical to FDA's - referred by EMA as Method C).
❝ My data manager tells me that SAS will not allow sequence to be dropped from the regression (mixed effects?) model.
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❝ We've thus fallen at the first hurdle...
No, your horse refused to jump the first fence, unseating the rider.

Try a conventional 2×2 without sequence: The CI (T/R) should be exactly the same.
In a 2×4 replicate I get differences in the 6th significant figure.
In the EU you have to stick with EMA's crippled model anyhow.
BTW, you are not the first asking this question.
What you can do, is start with EMA's suggestion (throw away all test data), and recode periods to "occasion":
In sequence RTRT period 1 => occasion 1, period 3 => occasion 2
In sequence TRTR period 2 => occasion 1, period 4 => occasion 2
Set up a model with fixed effects occasion+subject, estimate "occasion 2-1"
With EMA's dataset I get (back-transformed):
Occasion 1: 2032, Occasion 2: 2249
Occasion 2/1: 110.64% (90% CI: 97.74 - 125.24%), CV 47.32% (which is identical to FDA's - referred by EMA as Method C).
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- Replicate design Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-21 11:50
- Replicate design ElMaestro 2011-04-21 13:04
- Replicate design Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-21 21:53
- Replicate design AGAIN Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-27 12:21
- Replicate design limboHelmut 2011-04-27 13:43
- Replicate design limbo Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-27 16:11
- Replicate design limbo Helmut 2011-04-27 16:52
- Replicate design Vienna waltz d_labes 2011-04-28 08:54
- Replicate design EMA Morris dance Helmut 2011-04-28 14:17
- EMA Morris dance d_labes 2011-05-02 12:55
- Replicate design EMA Morris dance Helmut 2011-04-28 14:17
- Replicate design Vienna waltz d_labes 2011-04-28 08:54
- Replicate design limbo Helmut 2011-04-27 16:52
- Replicate design limbo Dr Andrew Leary 2011-04-27 16:11
- Replicate design limboHelmut 2011-04-27 13:43
- Replicate design ElMaestro 2011-04-21 13:04