Nope [RSABE / ABEL]
Hi John,
IIRC what the guy planning the study told me, B-I expected a high GMR. Don’t forget that the study was designed for FDA’s RSABE. For a GMR of 1.2, CV 0.55, and 85% power that would transfer into 172 subjects. Add an expected droput-rate of 5% and you end up with 180 dosed.
No scaling in a 2×2×2 study. Therefore, 2,282 subjects… To fulfill the FDA’s new requirements (4-period full replicate, assuming CVT=CVR) according to Detlew’s new function
If dabigatran would be classified by the EMA as an NTID, 90.00–111.11% would be required. Sample size estimation not possible for a PE of 1.2.
Anyhow, the PEs in the “world record” study were >1.25. Not even n=∞ would have helped – regardless which fancy method ever one would apply.
This one on mesalamine was a 2×2×4 in 238 subjects. AFAIK, the current world record is held by another innovator, Pfizer (two fully replicated 4-period studies in hundreds [sic] of subjects; personal communication Scott Patterson). No idea which Wonder-Pill economically justified such studies.
❝ world record (?): 180 subjects, full replicate.
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❝ What would the sample size be if it was run as a 2-way study
IIRC what the guy planning the study told me, B-I expected a high GMR. Don’t forget that the study was designed for FDA’s RSABE. For a GMR of 1.2, CV 0.55, and 85% power that would transfer into 172 subjects. Add an expected droput-rate of 5% and you end up with 180 dosed.
No scaling in a 2×2×2 study. Therefore, 2,282 subjects… To fulfill the FDA’s new requirements (4-period full replicate, assuming CVT=CVR) according to Detlew’s new function
sampleN.HVNTID()
in the pre-release PowerTOST 1.3-01
1,146 subjects. Forget it.If dabigatran would be classified by the EMA as an NTID, 90.00–111.11% would be required. Sample size estimation not possible for a PE of 1.2.
Anyhow, the PEs in the “world record” study were >1.25. Not even n=∞ would have helped – regardless which fancy method ever one would apply.
This one on mesalamine was a 2×2×4 in 238 subjects. AFAIK, the current world record is held by another innovator, Pfizer (two fully replicated 4-period studies in hundreds [sic] of subjects; personal communication Scott Patterson). No idea which Wonder-Pill economically justified such studies.
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Complete thread:
- ISCV and CI AB 2012-02-08 08:21
- ISCV and CI drgunasakaran1 2012-02-08 08:44
- Sample size feasible d_labes 2012-02-08 09:47
- Sample size feasible AB 2012-02-08 11:40
- No worries! Helmut 2012-02-08 13:37
- Sample size down! d_labes 2012-02-08 14:18
- World record? Helmut 2012-02-08 14:31
- Wow! d_labes 2012-02-08 16:16
- World record? jag009 2015-09-23 20:43
- NopeHelmut 2015-09-23 21:57
- World record? Helmut 2012-02-08 14:31
- Sample size feasible AB 2012-02-08 11:40