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❝ What was the exact wording for this "40-volunteers is too much" thing in the 5th edtition of this guideline?
The entire paragraph of the 6th ed, p20 was exactly the same in the 5th (section 15.5.5 p143).
If the calculated number of subjects appears to be higher than is ethically justifiable, it may be necessary to accept a statistical power which is less than desirable. Normally it is not practical to use more than about 40 subjects in a bioavailability study. Where calculations suggest that an excessive number of subjects is required, clinical efficacy and/or safety studies are an alternative. The use of a co-administered active ingredient labelled with non-radioactive isotope as a reference, or studies in which treatments are replicated within each subject, may improve discriminatory power for highly variable medicines.
In the 6th ed. you find also
If the calculated number of subjects appears to be higher than is ethically justifiable, it may be necessary to accept a statistical power which is less than desirable. It is usually not ethically justifiable to use more than about 40 subjects.
on p32. Same text in the 5th, p153.Personal remark: If >40 subjects in a PK study are not ethical, I don’t comprehend how “clinical efficacy and/or safety studies“ (with extreme sample sizes!) could be “an alternative”.

There are very few examples of PD endpoints having less variability than PK. A surrogate – or even more a true – clinical endpoint? Wellington, show me an example!
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