Yeah but, no but ... [Two-Stage / GS Designs]

❝ ❝ What if the CV comes out other than supposed in the planning?
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❝ Good point! In order to be protected against that sims should cover a realistic (!) range of CVs (and n1 – drop outs!), not only the expected one. If the (mandatory?) a posteriori sim shows αemp. >0.05, bad luck. If we go with a fixed sample design instead and the CV turns out to be higher than expected we may fail as well. Part of the game.
❝ But let’s simulate. Method B on steroids wo power,

❝ αadj. 0.0380, but CV 35%.
❝ Ratio 1.25 │ Ratio 0.95
❝ ──────────────────────────────────────┼─────────────────────────────────────
❝ n (5%, 50%, 95%) stage 2 α │ n (5%, 50%, 95%) stage 2 1-β
❝ 56.8 36 56 80 92.10 0.057127 │ 46.7 36 36 78 42.2 0.83226
❝ Ouch! Bad idea. ...
Got you!

❝ Now for the positive part. If one follows Method B, IMHO a posteriori simulations are not necessary if the study was planned with a n1 corresponding to max. αemp.. That would mean that we are already on ‘top of the ridge’. What could happen?
- Drop-outs: We go left in the plot and see the test becomes conservative.
- Higher/lower CV than expected: We go up/down towards conservative levels.
Beeing on the ‘top of the ridge’ would mean IMHO that we are practically working with alpha1,2 = 0.0294.
❝ BTW, empiric power is also interesting:
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Another rather clear message of this nice picture: Don't use n1 as low as 12 ('internal pilot' in the usual understanding of many sponsors) if the anticipated CV is >25%.
Regards,
Detlew
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