Historic abstract of Cmin in BE [PK / PD]
❝ Or do I get that completely wrong?
Not quite. I try to summarize my personal account:
- Cmin was never a primary PK metric in any regulation.
- Some alternative PK metrics for MR products were explored in the mid 1990s. BTW, Cmin was none of them (for obvious reasons I concur). I would not bet that EMA’s “experts” have read these papers. Given that Cmin is a single point metric and likely the concentration with the highest variability of the entire profile powering a study for BE is a nightmare.
- Is there any evidence that a product passing conventional PK metrics would fail on Cmin in a properly powered BE study? I doubt it. There are more generics on the US market than in the EU. The FDA never required it. Even more: Only SD studies are required. Any problems? Is there any substantial risk?
- Analyzing BE of Cmin first appeared in EMA’s IR draft in 2008 after some concerns for oxycodone. However, It was dropped from the final IR GL.
- At the first conference about the MR GL (Barcelona, Feb 2011) Alfredo García Arieta of the Spanish agency suggested Cτ as an additional metric in SD in order to waive MD studies.
I strongly opposed that, but …
- … Paixão et al. (from the Portuguese agency and the University of Lisbon) showed in extensive simulations that it would work. They explored different type of MR formulations (IR+CR, osmotic pumps, biphasic systems). The main author received the “AAPS Outstanding Manuscript Award in Modeling and Simulation” in 2012. I was convinced.
- In the meantime A. García Arieta changed his mind as well and published a bizarre cherry-picking paper. I regularly peer-review papers and this one should have been rejected because the conclusions were exactly the opposite of the reported results. Obviously a man on a mission.
- Normally a draft GL is published when members of the PKWP agree at the end (or are so bugged out that they start a trial ballon). In this case there was a vote and the majority was for waiving MD studies + Cτ in SD. Can you guess who insisted in “The discussion of the opportunity of using equivalence in Cτ in single dose studies as basis for waiving the multiple dose study has been recognized. However, there is not considered to be sufficient scientific evidence at the moment to encourage this approach”?
- At the next conference (Bonn, June 2013) the introduction of a new PK metric without justified relevance / discriminatory power was challenged by many participants. Alfredo told me “I don’t believe [sic] in simulations.” Henning Blume and I suggested to that it should be mandatory to submit the data, but not base the BE decision on it. A similar approach was used by the FDA when they were interested in the subject-by-formulation interaction. For two years all MR studies had to be performed in a replicate design and after analyzing them the FDA decided that S×F is not an issue.
It felt like talking to a pile of bricks.
- Numerous people sent comments to EMA.
- The éminence grise of the PKWP showed us the finger. Comments on the draft – which likely would show that many people did not agree – not published…
Go ahead, collect data (I’m not very optimistic that you will find sufficiently powered studies). Don’t count on me. After six years of opposing Cmin I’m running out of steam.
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- Lottery or science? ElMaestro 2015-01-13 10:38
- Lottery or science? nobody 2015-01-13 10:45
- Lottery or science? ElMaestro 2015-01-13 11:05
- Lottery or science? nobody 2015-01-13 11:23
- Lottery: maybe. Science: no. Helmut 2015-01-13 13:50
- Lottery: maybe. Science: occasionally ElMaestro 2015-01-13 16:45
- Lottery: maybe. Science: occasionally nobody 2015-01-13 17:16
- Lottery: maybe. Science: no. nobody 2015-01-13 17:12
- post additional studies ElMaestro 2015-01-13 17:46
- post additional studies nobody 2015-01-13 18:28
- Historic abstract of Cmin in BEHelmut 2015-01-14 01:42
- Historic abstract of Cmin in BE nobody 2015-01-14 08:42
- post additional studies ElMaestro 2015-01-13 17:46
- Lottery: maybe. Science: occasionally ElMaestro 2015-01-13 16:45
- Lottery: maybe. Science: no. Helmut 2015-01-13 13:50
- Lottery or science? nobody 2015-01-13 11:23
- Lottery or science? ElMaestro 2015-01-13 11:05
- Lottery or science? nobody 2015-01-13 10:45
- Lottery or science? ElMaestro 2015-01-13 10:38