Bioequivalence and Bioavailability Forum • lmer vs. lme

lmer vs. lme [🇷 for BE/BA]

posted by ElMaestro – Denmark, 2011-01-28 10:42 (5621 d 10:51 ago) – Posting: # 6505
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Ahoy d_labes,

❝ But it lacks the separate estimability of the intra-subject error variance for Test and Reference, I think. As far as I know (from the R help lists) there are no plans to introduce somefink like weights in lmer().

Here are two partial outputs from lme and lmer:

With lme:
Log-restricted-likelihood: 98.12818
(...)
Random effects:
Formula: ~trt - 1 | subj
Structure: General positive-definite, Log-Cholesky parametrization
StdDev Corr
trt1 0.149013060 trt1
trt2 0.122163414 0.15
Residual 0.007643612

With lmer:
AIC BIC logLik deviance REMLdev
-170.2 -150.0 95.12 -229.3 -190.2
(...)
Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. Corr
subj trt1 2.2218e-02 0.1490555
trt2 1.4913e-02 0.1221188 0.150
Residual 3.3117e-05 0.0057548

Note the slightly better likelihood found by lmer. Changes quite a bit (%-wise, I mean) on the residual sigma.

—
Pass or fail!
ElMaestro

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