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Rounding or not to rounding [🇷 for BE/BA]

posted by ElMaestro – Denmark, 2010-05-05 15:15 (5472 d 05:43 ago) – Posting: # 5298
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Dear Yung-jin

❝ Are you saying that these output are not "Type III SS"? :confused:

Not at all what I tried to say. There is no line in the anova tables specifying a p-value for the type III sequence effect; the tables include just Subject, Period and Treatment. You can find a (which is not the same as the) P-value for seq by using drop1 on a model without Subject.
If you follow the true definition of type III SS there will be no reduction of SS by inclusion of Seq once Subj is in the model for a 2,2,2-BE study. This is the R way. You may see the SS reduction for this effect specified as something effectively zero such as 1.23456e-7 etc., reflecting just machine precision at the stopping criterion for the fitting Al Gore Rhythm.
On the other hand, one can convince oneself by the possible presence of a sequence effect manually using the approach shown in the book by Chow & Liu. SAS therefore -if I recall right- spits out a positive SS reduction, which can just be obtained by fiddling as described above (I think I posted how to do it in R some time ago, just cannot find it now). I am not implying the SAS way is better or more correct.
Bear is fine as it is.

Best regards
EM.

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ElMaestro

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