Gold? [🇷 for BE/BA]
I haven’t performed analyses of incomplete data of a 2×2×2 study until now – and haven’t seen one in my work as a consultant performed by anybody else.
Another quote* (referring to their example 3.2 in 49 subjects):
Before we can continue to fit a linear model to the (log-transformed) data, we must decide what to do with the data from those subjects who did not provide a value in both periods. Such a comparison is not possible for those subjects with only a single value. If however, there are two such subjects and has a value only on T and the other has a value only on R, then a between-subject comparison of T and R is possible by taking the difference of these two single values. However, the precision of such a comparison will be low because the between-subject variation […] is much higher than the within-subject variability. Because we have assumed the subject effects are random variables, these between-subject comparisons can be recovered in the analysis if we fit what is known as a mixed model. […] However, the recovery of between-subject information on the comparison of T and R is unlikely to make much difference to the results, and so nothing of significance will be lost by ignoring the data on those subjects that provided only a single value. To justify this assertion, we will also report the results of fitting the mixed model to the complete data set […]
Personally I think it’s a little bit ambiguous to perform an analysis of the complete data set (simple model) as primary and ‘justify’ it by running a second one on the full (mixed) model. For our example the width of the confidence interval is0.198015
(simple model) and 0.189859
(full model). As DLabes pointed out in this post the mixed model is scientifically valid, but I would be wary to present it as the only one – since without suitable software it’s not possible to reproduce the results. If done the other way ’round (from Patterson/Jones), I would expect a lot of discussions (imagine if model #1 shows BE, and #2 does not)…- Patterson S, Jones B. Bioequivalence and Statistics in Clinical Pharmacology. Boca Raton: Chapman & Hall/CRC; 2006. p. 61–7.
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- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd yjlee168 2008-10-26 20:46
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd ElMaestro 2008-10-27 20:36
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd yjlee168 2008-10-28 08:59
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd ElMaestro 2008-10-28 09:49
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-10-28 17:14
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-10-29 07:36
- Incomplete cases d_labes 2008-10-29 09:24
- Incomplete cases yjlee168 2008-10-30 07:12
- Incomplete cases d_labes 2008-10-29 09:24
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view ElMaestro 2008-10-29 09:27
- Gold in discussion d_labes 2008-10-29 09:56
- Gold?Helmut 2008-10-29 13:03
- Gold in discussion d_labes 2008-10-29 09:56
- Imbalance or incomplete data, WinNonlin5.2.1 Helmut 2008-10-29 12:12
- Incomplete data, SAS9.2 d_labes 2008-10-29 16:38
- Missing values, imputation; separate study ElMaestro 2008-10-30 08:57
- Incomplete data, SAS9.2, DDF option residual d_labes 2008-10-30 15:54
- Never belief in any software you haven't written yourself Helmut 2008-10-30 16:30
- Incomplete data, SAS9.2 d_labes 2008-10-29 16:38
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-11-07 05:12
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-11-11 08:35
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-11-11 08:54
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-11-11 13:13
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-11-11 13:35
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-11-11 14:02
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-11-11 13:35
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-11-11 13:13
- Notification about new posts Helmut 2008-11-11 12:24
- Notification about new posts d_labes 2008-11-11 13:24
- 3 Prerequisites for biostatistics Helmut 2008-11-11 13:39
- 3 Prerequisites for biostatistics d_labes 2008-11-11 14:09
- 3 Prerequisites for biostatistics Helmut 2008-11-11 13:39
- Notification about new posts d_labes 2008-11-11 13:24
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-11-11 08:54
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-11-11 08:35
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view yjlee168 2008-10-29 07:36
- Imbalance or incomplete data, SASophylistic view d_labes 2008-10-28 17:14
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd ElMaestro 2008-10-28 09:49
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd yjlee168 2008-10-28 08:59
- bear v2.0.1 (upwards) cont'd ElMaestro 2008-10-27 20:36