Great post! [General Statistics]
you made my day!
❝ Lets go with the numbers of subjects given by you and assume that the estimated CV is obtained always as 20% (statistically only with vanishing probability
):
❝ # R function upper confidence limit of CV - as one liner
❝ CVUCL <- function(alpha=0.05, CV, df){
❝ sqrt(exp(log(1.0 + CV^2)*df/qchisq(alpha,df))-1)
❝ }
❝ gives
❝ design n df upper CL
❝ TRTR|RTRT 20 18 27.94%
❝ TRR|RTR|RRT 30 27 26.03%
❝ TRT|RTR 15 13 30.07%
Interesting that the CV from the partial replicate is (although slightly) more precise than the 4-period 2-sequence full replicate. I didn’t expect that. Which design is the ‘best’? Pros & cons:
- TRTR|RTRT
Pro: CVWR and CVWT estimable, model code from EMA and FDA available (not specified for CVWT, but trivial), ~33% fewer subjects than in the 3-period designs, sample size tables available.
Con: Four periods (blood samples, drop-outs), CV slightly less precise than from the partial replicate.
- TRR|RTR|RRT
Pro: Only three periods, code available, most precise estimate of CVWR, sample size tables available.
Con: No estimate of CVWT, ~50% more subjects than in the 4-period replicate (might require slightly more than +50%, sequences multiple of three).
- TRT|RTR
Pro: CVWR and CVWT estimable, sample size – marginally – smaller than partial replicate.
Con: Less precise estimate than from the other designs, no official code, no sample size tables (simulations required).
❝ BTW: May it be that there is an error in this post in calculating SS-intra from MS-intra?
Blast! Will correct it.
❝ The final result is again correct
. That remains me on my old school days: Bad school grade (5) if final result correct but intermediate steps with errors
.
Happened to me regularly. Especially if the final result came from my neighbor – who was much better in maths than I ever was.

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Complete thread:
- Precision of CVwr in replicate designs Helmut 2012-10-11 17:29
- Precision of CVwr in replicate designs jag009 2012-10-12 16:52
- Tóthfalusi et al. (2009) Helmut 2012-10-12 17:37
- Precision of CVwr in replicate designs d_labes 2012-10-17 10:40
- Great post!Helmut 2012-10-17 15:28
- Nice to know? d_labes 2012-10-17 16:39
- Nice to know! Helmut 2012-10-17 19:11
- Nice to know? d_labes 2012-10-17 16:39
- Great post!Helmut 2012-10-17 15:28
- Precision of CVwr in replicate designs jag009 2012-10-12 16:52
