Steady state calculation using WinNonlin [Software]
❝ The step I followed calculation of PK Parameters is as: PK/PD/NCA Analysis Wizard , noncompartment modeling, select model 200, data variables, dosage regimen and selecting steady state followed by modeling, generation of PK output.
Yes fine, but the order in Dosage Regimen is:
[x] Steady state
Dose
Time of Last Dose
Tau
❝ The XL file I have attached, the data processed is excluding trough sample (day1, 5, 6 and 7), [...]
Sure, you are interested in the profile (WinNonlin simply ignores the saturation phase, which is fine).
❝ should I process trough data and profiling data separately.
In versions 5.1+ you may run a linear regression of e.g., the last three trough values to check whether you have reached steady state (95% CI of the slope should include zero).
Model 502 (Linear) of example's data below give:
Last 4 troughs (24 h - 96 h): slope 0.063, CI -0.049, +0.176
Last 3 troughs (48 h - 96 h): slope 0.019, CI -0.120, +0.158
...so you may assume steady state conditions.
❝ As u wrote in ur mail that in WinNonlin %PTF to be calculate manually, but here in my case I calculated all of the primary and secondary parameters [...]
Oh, you are right!
❝ I have troubleshooting how the data to be presented in the WinNonline, I tried in all the possible way, but I am not sure about the output.
Why don't you keep it simple and check the results manually?
OK, I've done that for you...

D=100, V/F=1, k01=0.6931, k10=0.06931, tau=24h for five days gives (rounded to 1 decimal place):
time conc
0 0.0
24 21.1
48 25.0
72 25.8
96 25.9
98 91.5
99 97.4
100 96.9
102 88.7
104 78.3
106 68.4
109 55.7
112 45.2
116 34.3
120 26.0
Now let's have a look at the output (Non-Transposed Final Parameters Tab), and a 'manual' calculation
WinNonlin5.2 'manual'
AUClast 1425.4 1425.4
Cmax 97.4 97.4
Cmin 25.9 25.9
Tmin 96 96
Cav 59.4 59.4
%Fluctuation 120.3873 120.3873
AUCtau 1425.4 1425.4
AUCall 1425.4 1425.4
Fine.
Please note, that AUClast = AUCtau = AUCall.
Generally nobody is interested in the sampling beyond the last administration + tau, but in your case obviously this was the case (+72 hours).
If we add two more samples (144 h, 168 h), WinNonlin's output might get a little bit confusing for a novice, since:
time conc
0 0.0
... ...
120 26.0
144 4.9
168 0.9
WinNonlin5.2 'manual'
AUClast 1865.8 1865.8
Cmax 97.4 97.4
Cmin 25.9 25.9
Tmin 96 96
Cav 59.4 59.4
%Fluctuation 120.3873 120.3873
AUCtau 1425.4 1425.4
AUCall 1865.8 1865.8
WinNonlin is 'clever' enough to keep AUCtau (and therefore Cav, and %Fluctuation correct within tau), but please note AUClast # AUCtau and AUCall!
If we sample for another 48 hours until we get a BLQ:
time conc
0 0.0
... ...
168 0.9
192 0.2
216 BLQ
WinNonlin5.2 'manual'
AUClast 1879.0 1879.0
... ... ..
AUCtau 1425.4 1425.4
AUCall 1881.4 1881.4
Now finally we ran into AUClast # AUCtau # AUCall!
AUCall adds a triangle from the Tlast to the next sampling time point, assuming C=0. If you know of any serious reference using AUCall, please tell me. It's Pharsight's invention and IMHO useless - I removed it from my templates...

It's also funny that Pharsight's business rival ThermoScientific added this 'metric' to Kinetica as well.
In short:
- Sample only until last administration + tau,
- WinNonlin gives the correct result for %Fluctuation,
- Don't get confused; it's only AUCtau you are interested in.
❝ Primary Efficacy Parameters: Cmin, Cmax, AUC0 - 
❝ Secondary Efficacy Parameters: Tmax, % Fluctuation
In BA/BE we should not talk about Efficacy...
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