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 CVintra (untransformed) [General Sta­tis­tics]

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from untransformed data of Xovers I always calculated \(CV_{intra} = \sqrt{MSE}/\bar{x}_R\). Does anybody know a reference supporting my – maybe too naïve – assumption?

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2014-01-24 12:50
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 CVintra (untransformed)

Dear Helmut,

❝ from untransformed data of Xovers I always calculated \(CV_{intra} = \sqrt{MSE}/\bar{x}_R\).


Me too.

❝ Does anybody know a reference supporting my – maybe too naïve – assumption?


What are the deeper reasons behind your question? :confused:

As far as I have understood: This CV (call it CVintra or whatsoever, Chow and Liu use simply CV f.i. on page 153 in their book and Hauschke, Steinijans and Pigeot use occasionally CVR, page 108 of their book) is defined according to your formula as a useful term in calculating a confidence interval for the ratio T/R starting from the formula for a CI of the difference T-R:

meanT - meanR + tval*sqrt(mse)*sqrt(2/N)
divide by meanR and add 1 will give the ratio
(meanT-meanR)/meanR + 1 + tval*(sqrt(mse)/meanR))*sqrt(2/N)
now define CV=sqrt(mse)/meanR
(meanT-meanR)/meanR + 1 + tval*CV(whatever)*sqrt(2/N)


Don't ask me what is more useful with this last formula using CV and the means compared to to the ones with mse and means. IMHO its more or less a matter of taste.

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Detlew
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 CVintra (untransformed)

Dear Detlew,

❝ ❝ Does anybody know a reference supporting my – maybe too naïve – assumption?


❝ What are the deeper reasons behind your question?


For years I’m trying to convince Pharsight to add it to the standard output of WinNonlin since un­trans­formed analysis is not uncommon for some PD-data. They cannot add something without a proper reference and the only one they could dig out so far was a little bit obscure.*
So they asked me. ;-)

THX for your nice example!


  • Mohsen MA. A Note on the Calculation of Intrasubject Coefficient of Variation in Bioequivalence Trails. J Bioanal Biomed. 2010;2(4):75–8. doi:10.4172/1948-593X.1000026.

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 CVintra (untransformed)

Dear Helmut

❝ Does anybody know a reference supporting my – maybe too naïve – assumption?


I would say this is the definition rather than an assumption; (to me) CV is always given by sigma/mu. The nice thing for a log-normally distributed random variable is that in this case sigma/mu equals sqrt(exp(sigma^2)-1). So, I agree with you that it makes sense to present it as well.

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