PK PD modelling [Tips / Tricks]
Dear Luvblooms!
First I agree with Yung-jin’s post.
I’m afraid you have to give us more information. Normally the half-life of drugs is too short to be influenced by an increasing number of cells (are you thinking about a tumor?). Exceptions are drugs with very long half-lives (let’s say, more than a week), or the patient is in true steady-state (again, I’m talking about weeks).
What we see in time-dependent clearances Yung-jin mentioned are mainly following types:
Some general remarks about modeling:
Suggestions:
First I agree with Yung-jin’s post.
I’m afraid you have to give us more information. Normally the half-life of drugs is too short to be influenced by an increasing number of cells (are you thinking about a tumor?). Exceptions are drugs with very long half-lives (let’s say, more than a week), or the patient is in true steady-state (again, I’m talking about weeks).
What we see in time-dependent clearances Yung-jin mentioned are mainly following types:
- AUCτ (steady state) > AUC∞ (single dose): Capacity limited and/or Auto-inhibition
- AUCτ (steady state) < AUC∞ (single dose): Auto-induction
Some general remarks about modeling:
- Get some books. Read them. Take a vacation. Read them again.
- Consider getting some training.
- Yung-jin called it trial-and-error. Carl Metzler (the author of NONLIN in the mid-1960s) once published a paper “Curve-Fitting: Art or Science?”… Be prepared, it will take you some time. The worst I know was a population PK/PD model, where an experienced group (!) of pharmacokineticists worked almost one year (!!) on two datasets (SD, MD)…
- If you really notice a change in clearance (e.g., in a multiple dose study trough values increase to a pseudo-equilibrium and subsequently decrease to the final steady state), try the following methods to model the changing clearance:
- Add a lag-time.
- Try a catenary model (additional hypothetical compartment before the central).
- Try a sigmoidal model.
- Add a lag-time.
- Classical PK/PD modeling may work well for some subjects, but fail terribly for others. Or you may end up with a one-compartment model for subjects with low concentrations and a two-compartment model for others. Population PK/PD is a much better choice, but the learning curve is even more steep… If you have sparse data (not a ‘rich dataset’ of well-defined profiles), only Pop-PK/PD will work.
- Try to get as much data as possible. If you have urine data, simultaneous fitting may improve your model. If you have data of a metabolite, fine.
- Start with an unweighted model. If one of the variants of the Gauss-Newton algorithm fails, try a grid-search (Simplex). Use these estimates as new starting values for Gauss-Newton. If still not stable (high standard errors), tweak the constraints (parameters’ boundaries). Try different weighting schemes next. Look at the residuals: Evenly spread around zero? Any trend? Funnel pattern? Base the model selection on the minimum AIC.
- The error distribution of the parts of the dataset may differ. Sometimes 1/y² is best for plasma and 1/y for urine. If PD-data cover only a limited range, unweighted may be the best.
- Once you have a Pop-PK/PD model of acceptable quality, start adding covariates (e.g., body weight/surface, sex, creatine clearance, disease state,…) until you get no further improvement.
- Pop-PK/PD models must be validated (Search the Guidelines for ‘Population’).
- Internal validation: Randomly select a group of subjects from the dataset, estimate model parameters, and check the agreement of the remaining group of subjects with predicted data.
- External validation (preferred): Check the prediction from the model with observed values of another study.
- Internal validation: Randomly select a group of subjects from the dataset, estimate model parameters, and check the agreement of the remaining group of subjects with predicted data.
Suggestions:
J Gabrielsson and D Weiner
Pharmacokinetic an Pharmacodynamic Data Analysis: Concepts and Applications
Swedish Pharmaceutical Press, Stockholm (4th edition 2007)
Good starting point, many examples, code for WinNonlin.
P Bonate
Pharmacokinetic-Pharmacodynamic Modeling and Simulation
Springer, New York (2006)
Nothing to read in the subway. Good examples on model-identifiability and -discrimination.
M Rowland and T Tozer
Clinical Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics: Concepts and Applications
Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Baltimore (4th edition 2010)
The classic one.
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Complete thread:
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- time-dependent clearance yjlee168 2010-11-09 20:16
- PK/PD + PopPK software Helmut 2010-11-10 03:03
- PK/PD + PopPK software yjlee168 2010-11-10 11:41
- time-dependent clearance luvblooms4u 2010-11-12 05:29
- time-dependent clearance SDavis 2010-11-16 23:19
- PK/PD + PopPK software Helmut 2010-11-10 03:03
- PK PD modellingHelmut 2010-11-10 04:36
- PK PD modelling luvblooms4u 2010-11-12 06:31
- Profile check first! Helmut 2010-11-13 15:47
- PK PD modelling luvblooms4u 2010-11-12 06:31
- time-dependent clearance yjlee168 2010-11-09 20:16