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posted by Helmut 
– Vienna, Austria, 2017-12-28 23:10 (2303 d 07:34 ago) – Posting: # 18121
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Dear Detlew,
Not for me. The former is an assumption whereas the latter fixed by the authority.
Agree.
Agree again.
Communication with the analytical staff & common sense.
The GL tells us that the T- and R-batches should not differ more than 5% in their contents. I’m too lazy to browse through my protocols but IIRC, on the average it was 2–3%. Now add the analytical (in)accuracy and – conservatively assuming that the error may be on opposite sides – you easily end up with a GMR worse than 0.95.
Measuring content is not always trivial. Some MR-products are difficult and most topical products a nightmare. Extracting a lipophilic drug from a cream full of emulsifiers is great fun a mess.
If I have to deal with a simple IR-product, the analytical method is very good, and the difference small I’m fine with 0.95 as well.
In general I prefer conservative assumption(s) over optimistic ones. With the former (if they were false) you may have burned money but have a study which passed. With the latter sometimes you have to perform yet another study. Not economic on the long run.
❝ "Normal" is a question one could debate for hours, probably ending in a flame war 
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❝ For me 0.95 or 1/0.95 is as "normal" like setting alpha = 0.05.
Not for me. The former is an assumption whereas the latter fixed by the authority.
❝ It's a convention to be used if nothing specific about the GMR is known. Nothing more.
Agree.
❝ And it seemed mostly to work over the years I have observed the use of this setting.
❝ Of course it is not a natural constant.
Agree again.
❝ ❝ ... but IMHO, optimistic even if you measure a content of 100% for both T and R. Given that power is most sensitive to the GMR I question the usefulness of 0.95.
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❝ Any other suggestion instead of 0.95 
Communication with the analytical staff & common sense.
The GL tells us that the T- and R-batches should not differ more than 5% in their contents. I’m too lazy to browse through my protocols but IIRC, on the average it was 2–3%. Now add the analytical (in)accuracy and – conservatively assuming that the error may be on opposite sides – you easily end up with a GMR worse than 0.95.
Measuring content is not always trivial. Some MR-products are difficult and most topical products a nightmare. Extracting a lipophilic drug from a cream full of emulsifiers is
If I have to deal with a simple IR-product, the analytical method is very good, and the difference small I’m fine with 0.95 as well.
In general I prefer conservative assumption(s) over optimistic ones. With the former (if they were false) you may have burned money but have a study which passed. With the latter sometimes you have to perform yet another study. Not economic on the long run.
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